[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] Do not open a new window for menu link on sugarlabs.org

[David Farning]

Carol,
Would you mind working with Fred on the wiki?  You have made a lot of
good suggestions.

The tension I am seeing is that Sugar Labs Veterans, who feel
comfortable editing the wiki, are immune to the mess. People coming to
the wiki for the first time say 'what a mess', but don't feel
comfortable changing things.

thanks
david

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche <cafl at msbit.com> wrote:
> Sean, Wouldn't it be ok to merge "Bugs / Git / API / Buildbot" into
> "Develop", and expand them when you get to the Develop page?
>
> Also, the language on the wiki home page makes it sound like communication
> is done via the wiki.  "The Sugar Labs wiki is where the community comes
> together to develop and support the Sugar Learning Platform. "  This isn't
> really the case.  IRC and mailing lists are far more useful places to "come
> together".  The wiki reflects community-generated documentation, it seems to
> me.    I have never (with one exception) had any response to something I
> placed on the talk page on sugarlabs or olpc wiki, and it would be
> frustrating for an unwary user to think there .  Also, are the forums used?
> It would seem that if we really do our work via the lists, we should make
> the list archives prominent on the site and forget forums.
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> thanks Christian
>>
>> a related issue is our logo size and positioning which I would like to
>> see left-justified (your suggestion of that for the press release was
>> excellent) and... the Git size (bigger) rather than smaller, but i
>> know you feel differently about that :-)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt
>> <schmidt at pentagram.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Sean
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for initiating this. I generally agree with the goals to unify
>> > the
>> > site through a single navbar, but am also concerned about visual
>> > complexity.
>> > The more we can consolidate navigation items, the better. I'll start
>> > exploring visual treatments with the goal to find something that would
>> > work
>> > across all sites. That said, it may still be sensible to keep the intro
>> > separate from the other sites, to direct people in a more focused way
>> > towards only a few sections that we determine (as is currently the
>> > case).
>> >
>> >
>> > Christian
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/26/09 5:41 PM, "Sean DALY" <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Here are some ideas for a harmonized navbar across our domains, for
>> >> discussion and input please.
>> >>
>> >> By way of an anology, I would like that a visitor navigating between
>> >> our welcoming reception area, our meeting room, our factory floor, our
>> >> mailroom etc. always know where s/he is and how to get to another
>> >> section and in particular the homepage: www.sugarlabs.org.
>> >>
>> >> I know that Christian wants to keep the navbar short in the intro
>> >> section so it is unobtrusive... that Josh wants a friendly home for
>> >> Activities not unlike Mozilla's addons... that our wiki mavens want
>> >> their usual workspace without fuss and bother, that teachers need a
>> >> super easy to use section, and so on. That said, I think we all want
>> >> teachers, parents, funders, journalists, bug reporters, developers,
>> >> and... , kids :-) to be able to visit and explore the richness of our
>> >> site without getting lost. Because for them, there is "the Sugar Labs
>> >> site" and not 9 separate sites.
>> >>
>> >> It is a measure of the labyrinthine nature of our site/sites that I
>> >> discovered some sections today I hadn't suspected even existed, and
>> >> these sections had no link to the main page or to each other.
>> >>
>> >> Linking our sections will raise the visibility of our site and its
>> >> richness will show any visitor (as if there were a doubt) that our
>> >> community is vibrant.
>> >>
>> >> So, here goes... let's start with the union of all the linked sections
>> >> I can find for sugarlabs.org:
>> >>
>> >> Home
>> >> Wiki
>> >> Blog (or Planet)
>> >> Lists
>> >> Bugs
>> >> Git
>> >> Schools
>> >> Activities
>> >> Download
>> >> People
>> >> Donate
>> >> API
>> >> Buildbot
>> >> Trees
>> >> Indices
>> >> Index
>> >> Lounge (or Forums or Discussions)
>> >> FAQ
>> >> Press (or Contact)
>> >> Register
>> >> Help
>> >> About
>> >> Sitemap
>> >> Login
>> >> Search
>> >>
>> >> plus a missing one:
>> >> Support/Feedback
>> >>
>> >> 26 candidates for a navbar! ...More complicated than I suspected.
>> >>
>> >> Some of these, in particular Search, are never identified as local to
>> >> the section, sure to be confusing to the nontechnical visitor who just
>> >> want to "search the Sugar Labs site". Not everyone knows the Google
>> >> "site:sugarlabs.org" syntax :-)
>> >>
>> >> Others are on the same subject, but point to different places; for
>> >> example, the Activities section of the intro is not yet well
>> >> integrated with activities.sugarlabs.org and even points offsite, to
>> >> the corresponding OLPC pages.
>> >>
>> >> I think we can agree that 25, or 20, or even 15 choices are too many.
>> >>
>> >> The traditional solution to this problem is two tiers: mouseover on
>> >> the navbar reveals subchoices.
>> >>
>> >> The idea being to standardize a navbar like this at the top of every
>> >> section, giving "random access" to any other section.
>> >>
>> >> For example, how about 9 main sections:
>> >>
>> >> ***************************
>> >> Home
>> >>
>> >> Download
>> >>
>> >> Activities
>> >>
>> >> Schools
>> >>
>> >> Contributors
>> >> Wiki / Bugs / Git / API / Buildbot / Translate / People / Planet
>> >>
>> >> Resources
>> >> Documentation / FAQ / Mailing Lists / Community News / Index / Sitemap
>> >>
>> >> Search
>> >> Wiki search / Bugs search / Schools search
>> >>
>> >> Contact
>> >> Press / Forums / IRC / Support / Feedback
>> >>
>> >> Donate
>> >> ***************************
>> >>
>> >> What do you think?
>> >>
>> >> thanks
>> >>
>> >> Sean
>> >> Marketing Coordinator
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Simon Schampijer <simon at schampijer.de>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> Walter Bender wrote:
>> >>>> If it is not already, I think we need to add tabbed browsing as an
>> >>>> important 0.86 feature. We can certainly change the behavior of
>> >>>> www.sugarlabs.org, but we cannot change the behavior of the web.
>> >>>
>> >>> We can't? Doh - it is for the kids! :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes - we need it only for 0.84. Please file a 0.86 enhancement bug
>> >>> about
>> >>> the tabbed browsing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>>    Simon
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >>>
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Christian Marc Schmidt
>> >
>> > schmidt at pentagram.com
>> >
>> > Pentagram Design, Inc.
>> > 204 Fifth Avenue
>> > New York, NY 10010
>> > 212/ 802 0248
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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