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Bryan Berry
bryan at olenepal.org
Wed Mar 18 22:52:19 EDT 2009
croquet and seaside do great, powerful stuff.
the thing is, much more than powerful activities we need developers to
be able to quickly make simple activities. Kids don't need 3d VR for
learning.
Simple multimedia activities for grammar, basic math, geography, health,
etc. w/ a very low barrier for entry to new developers. Then allowing
them to take the next step and take advantage of Sugar's special
features.
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 11:23 -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote:
> Croquet (squeak virtual worlds) or seaside (smalltalk web apps) would
> be fine projects, if croquet isn't too 3d-resource-hungry. But IMO
> they do not have the same high priority as work on AJAX.
>
> 2009/3/18 Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com>
> How about something in Croquet,
> http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Main_Page, or Seaside,
> http://www.seaside.st/, that would create a Sugar environment
> for the web, say Honeycomb?
>
> I, too, need to spend more time under those hoods or in those
> hoods. --Fred
>
>
> 2009/3/18 Jameson Quinn <jameson.quinn at gmail.com>
>
>
> I think that for a GSoC project, we care less about
> development kits/IDEs like aptana, than about
> desktop-apps-with-AJAX solutions like Appcelerator
> Titanium, Mozilla Prism (and in closed-source world,
> Adobe AIR and Curl). I think it would be a great
> project to take Titanium or Prism and make a generic
> sugar-like hello-world which used Javascript to save
> to the journal, set some tags, open a file, coexist
> with Rainbow, and have a sugary toolbar. Whether you
> worked on that activity with Aptana or whatever is a
> separate issue.
>
> Disclaimer: I know nothing under the hood about any of
> the products mentioned here, so I could be totally
> wrong.
>
> Jameson
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Bryan Berry
> <bryan at olenepal.org> wrote:
> They don't compare currently but they are
> developing rapidly,
> particularly aptana http://www.aptana.com. The
> great thing about aptana
> is that there is for-profit company behind it
> that seems to do a good
> job of sponsoring open-source development.
>
> Also, Apple, Palm, and maybe Android are
> pushing for js+html5 for all
> apps place of flash.
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 10:47 +0100, Tomeu
> Vizoso wrote:
> > 2009/3/18 Bryan Berry
> <bryan.berry at gmail.com>:
> > > Felipe,
> > >
> > > "never bet against the browser" is
> absolutely true
> > >
> > > However, gnash is roughly 2-3 developer
> years behind macromedia flash.
> > > the big hurdle is adding support for
> ActionScript3 to Gnash.
> > >
> > > I don't think that better integrating
> Gnash into Sugar would be the best
> > > use of your time. The better bet is to
> integrate activities created with
> > > javascript + html5 into Sugar.
> > >
> > > I earlier advocated a framework called
> "Karma" for integrating flash
> > > swfs into Sugar. I now believe that
> javascript + html5 is a much better
> > > bet because it better adheres to our
> common belief in open-source and
> > > allows "View Source." Also, there are far
> more javascript developers out
> > > there than flash developers. This new
> rework of Karma could take
> > > advantage of projects like jquery-UI and
> new javascript animation
> > > libraries like processing.js and GX.
> >
> > That looks very interesting, but what about
> authoring tools for
> > javascript+html5? Are any that compare to
> the flash authoring tools?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tomeu
> >
> > > You could start out by trying to recreate
> some of OLE Nepal's existing
> > > flash activities as javascript + html5.
> You can find some here:
> > >
> http://www.pustakalaya.org/external-content/static/epaath/E-Paath-2.activity/activity/Activity/MenuStage.html
> > >
> > > If you are interested in such a project, I
> am definitely be interested
> > > in mentoring you. I have to warn you
> though that I am professionally a
> > > project manager and not a software
> engineer. In fact my software
> > > development skills are extremely limited
> beyond writing broken python
> > > scripts.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bryan W. Berry
> > > Technology Director
> > > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 15:37 -0600, Jameson
> Quinn wrote:
> > >> Flash is still not open source, and that
> creates issues when
> > >> distributing it (Adobe does not let you
> include it pre-installed in
> > >> images for download).
> > >>
> > >> Bryan Berry from OLE Nepal (cc:ed on this
> mail) has some good ideas
> > >> about how that idea should work, though
> he's not signed up as a
> > >> mentor. You should think about your
> design, and then discuss it with
> > >> him AND on the sugar-devel mailing list.
> > >>
> > >> Jameson
> > >>
> > >> 2009/3/17 Felipe López Toledo
> <zer.subzero at gmail.com>
> > >> Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> I'm interested:
> > >> SWF Sugar
> > >> * Integrate
> SWF (Flash/Gnash)
> > >>
> applications into Sugar.
> > >> * Ideally,
> develop a demo activity which
> > >> could be
> used as a template for
> > >>
> sugarizing Flash/Gnash activities.
> > >> * Priority
> for Sugar: Very High ("never
> > >> bet
> against the browser")
> > >> *
> Difficulty (as a GSoC project): hard
> > >> * Skills
> needed: SWF/Python integration
> > >>
> > >> why Gnash?, there is already a
> stable version of adobe player
> > >> for linux.
> > >>
> > >> really have very good ideas.
> Interesting!
> > >>
> > >> Greetings.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM,
> Jameson Quinn
> > >> <jameson.quinn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas
> > >>
> > >> Good hunting :)
> > >>
> > >> Jameson
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at
> 12:18 PM, Felipe López Toledo
> > >> <zer.subzero at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> Hi.
> > >>
> > >> I'm Felipe López
> Toledo, a university student
> > >> I read your
> message
> > >>
> (http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/0cf911eb31087cd7?hl=en)
> > >> I visited
> > >>
> http://sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=page&page=learners
> > >>
> > >> relly good work!.
> > >>
> > >> it would be nice
> to see you in the GSoC 2009.
> > >> by the way, do
> you have a project list?
> > >>
> > >> thanks.
> > >>
> > >> Felipe
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > --
> > > Bryan W. Berry
> > > Technology Director
> > > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
> > >
> > >
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