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[Jameson Quinn]

Croquet (squeak virtual worlds) or seaside (smalltalk web apps) would be
fine projects, if croquet isn't too 3d-resource-hungry. But IMO they do not
have the same high priority as work on AJAX.

2009/3/18 Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com>

> How about something in Croquet,
> http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Main_Page, or  Seaside,
> http://www.seaside.st/, that would create a Sugar environment for the web,
> say Honeycomb?
>
> I, too, need to spend more time under those hoods or in those
> hoods.          --Fred
>
>
> 2009/3/18 Jameson Quinn <jameson.quinn at gmail.com>
>
> I think that for a GSoC project, we care less about development kits/IDEs
>> like aptana, than about desktop-apps-with-AJAX solutions like Appcelerator
>> Titanium, Mozilla Prism (and in closed-source world, Adobe AIR and Curl). I
>> think it would be a great project to take Titanium or Prism and make a
>> generic sugar-like hello-world which used Javascript to save to the journal,
>> set some tags, open a file, coexist with Rainbow, and have a sugary toolbar.
>> Whether you worked on that activity with Aptana or whatever is a separate
>> issue.
>>
>> Disclaimer: I know nothing under the hood about any of the products
>> mentioned here, so I could be totally wrong.
>>
>> Jameson
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Bryan Berry <bryan at olenepal.org> wrote:
>>
>>> They don't compare currently but they are developing rapidly,
>>> particularly aptana http://www.aptana.com. The great thing about aptana
>>> is that there is for-profit company behind it that seems to do a good
>>> job of sponsoring open-source development.
>>>
>>> Also, Apple, Palm, and maybe Android are pushing for js+html5 for all
>>> apps place of flash.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 10:47 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>>> > 2009/3/18 Bryan Berry <bryan.berry at gmail.com>:
>>> > > Felipe,
>>> > >
>>> > > "never bet against the browser" is absolutely true
>>> > >
>>> > > However, gnash is roughly 2-3 developer years behind macromedia
>>> flash.
>>> > > the big hurdle is adding support for ActionScript3 to Gnash.
>>> > >
>>> > > I don't think that better integrating Gnash into Sugar would be the
>>> best
>>> > > use of your time. The better bet is to integrate activities created
>>> with
>>> > > javascript + html5 into Sugar.
>>> > >
>>> > > I earlier advocated a framework called "Karma" for integrating flash
>>> > > swfs into Sugar. I now believe that javascript + html5 is a much
>>> better
>>> > > bet because it better adheres to our common belief in open-source and
>>> > > allows "View Source." Also, there are far more javascript developers
>>> out
>>> > > there than flash developers. This new rework of Karma could take
>>> > > advantage of projects like jquery-UI and new javascript animation
>>> > > libraries like processing.js and GX.
>>> >
>>> > That looks very interesting, but what about authoring tools for
>>> > javascript+html5? Are any that compare to the flash authoring tools?
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Tomeu
>>> >
>>> > > You could start out by trying to recreate some of OLE Nepal's
>>> existing
>>> > > flash activities as javascript + html5. You can find some here:
>>> > >
>>> http://www.pustakalaya.org/external-content/static/epaath/E-Paath-2.activity/activity/Activity/MenuStage.html
>>> > >
>>> > > If you are interested in such a project, I am definitely be
>>> interested
>>> > > in mentoring you. I have to warn you though that I am professionally
>>> a
>>> > > project manager and not a software engineer. In fact my software
>>> > > development skills are extremely limited beyond writing broken python
>>> > > scripts.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Bryan W. Berry
>>> > > Technology Director
>>> > > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 15:37 -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote:
>>> > >> Flash is still not open source, and that creates issues when
>>> > >> distributing it (Adobe does not let you include it pre-installed in
>>> > >> images for download).
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Bryan Berry from OLE Nepal (cc:ed on this mail) has some good ideas
>>> > >> about how that idea should work, though he's not signed up as a
>>> > >> mentor. You should think about your design, and then discuss it with
>>> > >> him AND on the sugar-devel mailing list.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Jameson
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 2009/3/17 Felipe López Toledo <zer.subzero at gmail.com>
>>> > >>         Thanks.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>         I'm interested:
>>> > >>                         SWF Sugar
>>> > >>                               * Integrate SWF (Flash/Gnash)
>>> > >>                                 applications into Sugar.
>>> > >>                               * Ideally, develop a demo activity
>>> which
>>> > >>                                 could be used as a template for
>>> > >>                                 sugarizing Flash/Gnash activities.
>>> > >>                               * Priority for Sugar: Very High
>>> ("never
>>> > >>                                 bet against the browser")
>>> > >>                               * Difficulty (as a GSoC project): hard
>>> > >>                               * Skills needed: SWF/Python
>>> integration
>>> > >>
>>> > >>         why Gnash?, there is already a stable version of adobe
>>> player
>>> > >>         for linux.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>         really have very good ideas. Interesting!
>>> > >>
>>> > >>         Greetings.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>         On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Jameson Quinn
>>> > >>         <jameson.quinn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas
>>> > >>
>>> > >>                 Good hunting :)
>>> > >>
>>> > >>                 Jameson
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>                 On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Felipe López
>>> Toledo
>>> > >>                 <zer.subzero at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>                         Hi.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>                         I'm Felipe López Toledo, a university
>>> student
>>> > >>                         I read your message
>>> > >>                         (
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/0cf911eb31087cd7?hl=en
>>> )
>>> > >>                         I visited
>>> > >>
>>> http://sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=page&page=learners
>>> > >>
>>> > >>                         relly good work!.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>                         it would be nice to see you in the GSoC
>>> 2009.
>>> > >>                         by the way, do you have a project list?
>>> > >>
>>> > >>                         thanks.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>                         Felipe
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > > --
>>> > > Bryan W. Berry
>>> > > Technology Director
>>> > > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
>>> > >
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>>> > >
>>> --
>>> Bryan W. Berry
>>> Technology Director
>>> OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
>>>
>>>
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