[Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs

[Bryan Berry]

They don't compare currently but they are developing rapidly,
particularly aptana http://www.aptana.com. The great thing about aptana
is that there is for-profit company behind it that seems to do a good
job of sponsoring open-source development.

Also, Apple, Palm, and maybe Android are pushing for js+html5 for all
apps place of flash. 

On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 10:47 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> 2009/3/18 Bryan Berry <bryan.berry at gmail.com>:
> > Felipe,
> >
> > "never bet against the browser" is absolutely true
> >
> > However, gnash is roughly 2-3 developer years behind macromedia flash.
> > the big hurdle is adding support for ActionScript3 to Gnash.
> >
> > I don't think that better integrating Gnash into Sugar would be the best
> > use of your time. The better bet is to integrate activities created with
> > javascript + html5 into Sugar.
> >
> > I earlier advocated a framework called "Karma" for integrating flash
> > swfs into Sugar. I now believe that javascript + html5 is a much better
> > bet because it better adheres to our common belief in open-source and
> > allows "View Source." Also, there are far more javascript developers out
> > there than flash developers. This new rework of Karma could take
> > advantage of projects like jquery-UI and new javascript animation
> > libraries like processing.js and GX.
> 
> That looks very interesting, but what about authoring tools for
> javascript+html5? Are any that compare to the flash authoring tools?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tomeu
> 
> > You could start out by trying to recreate some of OLE Nepal's existing
> > flash activities as javascript + html5. You can find some here:
> > http://www.pustakalaya.org/external-content/static/epaath/E-Paath-2.activity/activity/Activity/MenuStage.html
> >
> > If you are interested in such a project, I am definitely be interested
> > in mentoring you. I have to warn you though that I am professionally a
> > project manager and not a software engineer. In fact my software
> > development skills are extremely limited beyond writing broken python
> > scripts.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bryan W. Berry
> > Technology Director
> > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 15:37 -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote:
> >> Flash is still not open source, and that creates issues when
> >> distributing it (Adobe does not let you include it pre-installed in
> >> images for download).
> >>
> >> Bryan Berry from OLE Nepal (cc:ed on this mail) has some good ideas
> >> about how that idea should work, though he's not signed up as a
> >> mentor. You should think about your design, and then discuss it with
> >> him AND on the sugar-devel mailing list.
> >>
> >> Jameson
> >>
> >> 2009/3/17 Felipe López Toledo <zer.subzero at gmail.com>
> >>         Thanks.
> >>
> >>         I'm interested:
> >>                         SWF Sugar
> >>                               * Integrate SWF (Flash/Gnash)
> >>                                 applications into Sugar.
> >>                               * Ideally, develop a demo activity which
> >>                                 could be used as a template for
> >>                                 sugarizing Flash/Gnash activities.
> >>                               * Priority for Sugar: Very High ("never
> >>                                 bet against the browser")
> >>                               * Difficulty (as a GSoC project): hard
> >>                               * Skills needed: SWF/Python integration
> >>
> >>         why Gnash?, there is already a stable version of adobe player
> >>         for linux.
> >>
> >>         really have very good ideas. Interesting!
> >>
> >>         Greetings.
> >>
> >>
> >>         On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Jameson Quinn
> >>         <jameson.quinn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>                 http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas
> >>
> >>                 Good hunting :)
> >>
> >>                 Jameson
> >>
> >>
> >>                 On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Felipe López Toledo
> >>                 <zer.subzero at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>                         Hi.
> >>
> >>                         I'm Felipe López Toledo, a university student
> >>                         I read your message
> >>                         (http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/0cf911eb31087cd7?hl=en)
> >>                         I visited
> >>                         http://sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=page&page=learners
> >>
> >>                         relly good work!.
> >>
> >>                         it would be nice to see you in the GSoC 2009.
> >>                         by the way, do you have a project list?
> >>
> >>                         thanks.
> >>
> >>                         Felipe
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > --
> > Bryan W. Berry
> > Technology Director
> > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
> >
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Bryan W. Berry
Technology Director
OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org