[Sugar-devel] yet another corrected screenshot image!
jameson.quinn at gmail.com
Thu Mar 12 12:29:29 EDT 2009
I agree that we should drop freeform, and choose one, iconic, layout. Then
we could plan for easy searching - using tags, names, or recentness - which
greyed out the unselected apps.
If we did this, my vote would be: ring up to 16 activities, then a single
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>wrote:
> I haven't studied it in any scientific way, but I have never seen
> anyone use freeform in the field. I can also make a strong case for
> its inappropriateness in the classroom and the additional support
> overhead. For simplicity-sake, if for no other reason, we should drop
> That said, I cannot argue with your observation that an overloaded
> ring is problematic as well. For 0.86, we should consider some of
> spiral options, such as the sunflower, which are much more space
> efficient. At the same time, I think the real answer lies in better
> use the idea that groups of activities can be selected for the ring: a
> teacher might say to the child, this week, I want everyone to put
> Browse, Write, and Turrtle Art on their desktops. At home, a different
> collection might be available. So maybe we can explore the notion of
> collections rather than layouts?
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt
> <christianmarc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I fully understand your confusion, this issue has been going back and
> > forth for too long.
> > We should probably talk this over more thoroughly before deciding
> > either way. Nicholas had (and I'm assuming still has) very strong
> > reservations about the ring, which caused us to reconsider it, but at
> > the time it was too late to change and it made it into the build. As
> > you know I was initially in favor of the ring (which I think has a
> > strong iconic presence), but when I began seeing screenshots of
> > overloaded rings it seemed like the favorites model perhaps wasn't
> > working as well as we had hoped.
> > This is a case where it would really help to do observations and see
> > how children are using the Home view, and which of the two views they
> > prefer using... Or do we have any findings and observations we can
> > already draw from?
> > For now, the question remains which view (freeform/ring) we use to
> > represent Sugar. Or perhaps at least in the interim it would make
> > sense to avoid Home altogether and use the Neighborhood view as the
> > "signature" shot?
> > I agree that we would ideally keep either the ring or freeform, but
> > not both, for simplicity...
> > More discussion ahead, I sense.
> > Christian
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> >> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt
> >> <christianmarc at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Hi Sean
> >>> We are currently debating moving to freeform view as the default
> >>> (maybe even the only) view in Home. To be on the safe side, should we
> >>> use that view here instead, seeing as it already exists in the UI?
> >>> CC'ing Walter for his thoughts as well...
> >> Boy am I ever confused. I thought (and hoped) that we were going to
> >> get rid of the freeform view, not the ring view.
> >> -walter
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