[Sugar-devel] ASLO vs. wiki.laptop.org activities (was Re: ASLO Suggestion)

[Walter Bender]

In the case of Turtle Art, I put a link from Activities/All to the
corresponding ALSO page; now I just update ALSO, but it should be easy
enough to follow that link. Easy enough to do for all the apps that
have migrated. What I haven't done is try to make any changes to which
activities are associated with the update process, e.g., g1g1 or
latu... I think this should not be the responsibility of individual
activity authors; the organizations themselves should be managing what
versions of what applications are loaded onto their machines by
default.

regards.

-walter

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Gabriel Eirea<geirea at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Whatever the decision on this topic is, I would appreciate that the
> interests of the already installed base are taken into account. I agree that
> the Activities/All page is outdated and ASLO has a much better interface.
>
> However, at least here in Uruguay, most of the kids and teachers rely on
> Activities/All as a starting point to get new activities. This is because
> Browse's home page had a link to the Activities page. It was very
> frustrating when most of the activities were moved from Activities to
> Activities/All without a proper communication to the users. I would not like
> to see that happen again.
>
> I understand that this is mostly an issue for Latu in the first place, OLPC
> in the second place, and Sugarlabs in the third place. Would it be possible
> to get an agreement between all involved parties about the best way to move
> forward?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gabriel
>
>
> 2009/6/17 S Page <skierpage at gmail.com>
>>
>> [I removed some cc'd lists of which I'm not a member]
>>
>> Summary: Replacing http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All with
>>    {{obsolete|link=http://activities.sugarlabs.org}}
>> sounds great to me.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 6:10 AM, Sean DALY<sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > OLPC has their list (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All) and we
>> > need to get that page to link to ASLO ...
>>
>> I added a bullet to this and http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities :
>>
>> * http://activities.sugarlabs.org has lots of activities for recent
>> versions of the [[Sugar]] environment, ''some'' of which may work on
>> OLPC [[builds]].
>>
>> > ..., the information there is uneven
>> > (contains some stillborn/abandonware).
>>
>> The current split organization is a mess and duplication provides
>> twice as many opportunities to be wrong.  There's a dozen other lists
>> of "all activities" on wiki.laptop.org besides the Activities/All
>> page, see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_queries , killing off
>> some isn't going to hurt.  So just be brave and change it to
>> {{obsolete|link=http://activities.sugarlabs.org}}
>>
>> > Perhaps the easiest fix would
>> > be to link from each Activity position on that page to that Activity's
>> > ASLO page;
>> Sure, you could replace the fancy activity descriptions on
>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All with a simple link to their
>> ASLO page.
>>
>> > people searching the Activity population would quickly
>> > understand the different/parallel nature of the OLPC page and ASLO.
>>
>> If you can understand it, please explain it ;-)   Activities/All
>> claims "This is a list of all stable Activities  that can be installed
>> in the latest Sugar.", but
>> * they are NOT all getting updated
>> * "latest Sugar" meaning what?  OLPC doesn't ship latest Sugar.
>>
>> > As
>> > far as I know, there aren't any issues with the very latest versions
>> > running on XO-1s, would I be correct in assuming this?
>>
>> You're incorrect.  Sugar 0.84 is different from the Sugar 0.82.1 in
>> OLPC release 8.2.0 and 8.2.1. I understand there are issues for
>> Browse, Etoys, and Read which depend on libraries and already have
>> separate "latest versions".  I assume some other activities have
>> problems.  Unfortunately, most activity pages on a.sl.o and on
>> wiki.laptop.org don't specify their compatibility clearly, and it's
>> impossible to tell the difference between "Old version NN is still
>> truly the latest version that works on OLPC's 8.2" and "Nobody's
>> bloody updated this out-of-date info".
>>
>> > Or does OLPC
>> > prefer to identify "known good" version, the ones updated through the
>> > XO Control Panel?
>>
>> In OLPC release 8.2.0 and subsequent releases, the Software update
>> control panel updates installed activities using a complex fallback
>> mechanism involving *other, separate* pages such as Activities/8.2
>> and/or Activities/G1G1/8.2 , see
>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update .  Those subpages are where
>> "known good version" info must live for Software update to work, while
>> other activity pages are mostly useless out-of-date cruft. Maintaining
>> all these pages is manual and complicated, see
>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Maintaining_activity_web_information , and
>> for many activities it isn't happening.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> --
>> =S Page
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