[Sugar-devel] ASLO vs. wiki.laptop.org activities (was Re: ASLO Suggestion)

[Gabriel Eirea]

Hi,

Whatever the decision on this topic is, I would appreciate that the
interests of the already installed base are taken into account. I agree that
the Activities/All page is outdated and ASLO has a much better interface.

However, at least here in Uruguay, most of the kids and teachers rely on
Activities/All as a starting point to get new activities. This is because
Browse's home page had a link to the Activities page. It was very
frustrating when most of the activities were moved from Activities to
Activities/All without a proper communication to the users. I would not like
to see that happen again.

I understand that this is mostly an issue for Latu in the first place, OLPC
in the second place, and Sugarlabs in the third place. Would it be possible
to get an agreement between all involved parties about the best way to move
forward?

Regards,

Gabriel


2009/6/17 S Page <skierpage at gmail.com>

> [I removed some cc'd lists of which I'm not a member]
>
> Summary: Replacing http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All with
>    {{obsolete|link=http://activities.sugarlabs.org}}
> sounds great to me.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 6:10 AM, Sean DALY<sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
> > OLPC has their list (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All) and we
> > need to get that page to link to ASLO ...
>
> I added a bullet to this and http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities :
>
> * http://activities.sugarlabs.org has lots of activities for recent
> versions of the [[Sugar]] environment, ''some'' of which may work on
> OLPC [[builds]].
>
> > ..., the information there is uneven
> > (contains some stillborn/abandonware).
>
> The current split organization is a mess and duplication provides
> twice as many opportunities to be wrong.  There's a dozen other lists
> of "all activities" on wiki.laptop.org besides the Activities/All
> page, see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_queries , killing off
> some isn't going to hurt.  So just be brave and change it to
> {{obsolete|link=http://activities.sugarlabs.org}}
>
> > Perhaps the easiest fix would
> > be to link from each Activity position on that page to that Activity's
> > ASLO page;
> Sure, you could replace the fancy activity descriptions on
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All with a simple link to their
> ASLO page.
>
> > people searching the Activity population would quickly
> > understand the different/parallel nature of the OLPC page and ASLO.
>
> If you can understand it, please explain it ;-)   Activities/All
> claims "This is a list of all stable Activities  that can be installed
> in the latest Sugar.", but
> * they are NOT all getting updated
> * "latest Sugar" meaning what?  OLPC doesn't ship latest Sugar.
>
> > As
> > far as I know, there aren't any issues with the very latest versions
> > running on XO-1s, would I be correct in assuming this?
>
> You're incorrect.  Sugar 0.84 is different from the Sugar 0.82.1 in
> OLPC release 8.2.0 and 8.2.1. I understand there are issues for
> Browse, Etoys, and Read which depend on libraries and already have
> separate "latest versions".  I assume some other activities have
> problems.  Unfortunately, most activity pages on a.sl.o and on
> wiki.laptop.org don't specify their compatibility clearly, and it's
> impossible to tell the difference between "Old version NN is still
> truly the latest version that works on OLPC's 8.2" and "Nobody's
> bloody updated this out-of-date info".
>
> > Or does OLPC
> > prefer to identify "known good" version, the ones updated through the
> > XO Control Panel?
>
> In OLPC release 8.2.0 and subsequent releases, the Software update
> control panel updates installed activities using a complex fallback
> mechanism involving *other, separate* pages such as Activities/8.2
> and/or Activities/G1G1/8.2 , see
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update .  Those subpages are where
> "known good version" info must live for Software update to work, while
> other activity pages are mostly useless out-of-date cruft. Maintaining
> all these pages is manual and complicated, see
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Maintaining_activity_web_information , and
> for many activities it isn't happening.
>
> Hope this helps,
> --
> =S Page
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