[Sugar-devel] Goocanvas as alternative to Hippo?

[Tomeu Vizoso]

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 17:20, Bobby Powers<bobbypowers at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Jonas Smedegaard<dr at jones.dk> wrote:
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>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:21:48AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>>>On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 09:56, Simon Schampijer<simon at schampijer.de> wrote:
>>>> On 06/12/2009 08:06 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ubuntutesting.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/mago-a-desktop-testing-initiative/
>>>>>
>>>>> Once we switch unnecessary usage of hippo and add some hooks to it,
>>>>> we'll be able to use the same infrastructure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tomeu
>>>>
>>>> Nice! You mean get rid of hippo completely? Or just replace the
>>>> unnecessary usage of hippo and add hooks to hippo for the other parts
>>>> to be able to use Mago?
>>>
>>>Well, if we could replace hippo completely with something maintained
>>>by someone else, would be great. But just reducing its usage and
>>>implementing some AT-SPI hooks might be enough for now.
>>>
>>>Of course, that would help as well with accessibility.
>>
>> I have absolutely no understanding of what hippo does, except from its
>> package description in Debian, but is this perhaps a worthy alternative:
>> http://live.gnome.org/GooCanvas
>>
>> It has Python binding. :-)
>>
>> Here's a sceptical blog entry about it:
>> http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2007/10/11/goocanvas-experiences/
>
> I used goocanvas (through the python bindings) in my activity, and
> would recommend against anyone else doing the same.  It was both
> quirky and buggy, and I never got it working quite as I wanted.  I've
> been converting my activity to Gaphas, which is much nicer to use and
> gives more bang for the buck.

I have also been looking at Gaphas for a mind map activity and was
quite impressed about it, though it would be limited to
diagramming-like activities.

http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/mindmap

Which is that activity you are porting to Gaphas?

> The only 'problem' is that it isn't
> packaged for Fedora, and the Debian package is out of date.  Its
> available from the cheeseshop and as source, so its not hard to bundle
> it with your activity.
> http://gaphor.devjavu.com/wiki/Subprojects/Gaphas
> http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/bobbyp/gaphas

Yeah, for activity authors it may be more convenient for now to
duplicate the python sources inside their bundles. Though when Gaphas
gets more mature, it will be nice to have packages.

Regards,

Tomeu

> Bobby
>
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