[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen

[David Farning]

58 posts in this thread and climbing:)  I think that is a new Sugar Labs record.

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david

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.eliason at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.eliason at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo
>>>>
>>>> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too
>>>> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is
>>>> possible (networks being connected to at startup?)
>>>>
>>>> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can
>>>> (travelling today)
>>>>
>>>> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the example
>>>> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to
>>>> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or after
>>>> the Sugar spash page
>>>
>>> Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with
>>> several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same
>>> time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that feels
>>> (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from the
>>> UI.
>>>
>>> I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads powerfully, and
>>> then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could entertain
>>> a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the
>>> sugar logo. Thoughts?
>>
>> +1
>
> I don't have an XO nearby my to try this, so perhaps someone could
> investigate for me. We also need to decide how many frames we show the
> Sugar logo for before switching over to the XO. One frame might not be
> long enough. This is important because the number of dots shown (if we
> do dots) will be directly impacted.
>
> I'd wager that the Sugar logo should remain for perhaps somewhere from
> 10% to 25% of the boot duration (which may or may not be anything
> close to 1/10 or 1/4 of the frames).
>
> Eben
>
>>>> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version
>>>> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers,
>>>
>>> I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI.
>>> Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot just to
>>> find that info.
>>>
>>>> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have the
>>>> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners might not
>>>> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad
>>>> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about versioning). We
>>>> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running v0..84
>>>> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many
>>>> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we hope) sow
>>>> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education
>>>> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year... aside
>>>> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to make
>>>> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in
>>>> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for
>>>> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press releases);
>>>> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of
>>>> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping
>>>> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each Activity)
>>>> is a key aspect of that.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time (especially a
>>>> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from Apple?
>>>
>>> We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the
>>> center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left. The
>>> info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings, which
>>> might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design for
>>> the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps
>>> directly to the correct settings panel.
>>>
>>> We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings, removing
>>> it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own modal
>>> dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item.
>>>
>>> I would be fine with either approach.
>>>
>>>> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the screen;
>>>> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX version
>>>> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the Control
>>>> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The bottom bar
>>>> has room I think.
>>>
>>> There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only be
>>> needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information you
>>> want to carry with you all the time.
>>>
>>>> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if
>>>> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity
>>>> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the
>>>> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good approach
>>>> which would let us skip info in the splash screen.
>>>>
>>>> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo color
>>>> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color is the
>>>> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number.
>>>
>>> I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but
>>> changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support
>>> that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping
>>> around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major
>>> releases (2 per year, on average).
>>>
>>>
>>> Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are
>>> still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but won't
>>> be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring the XO
>>> in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be
>>> introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of that
>>> metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to
>>> identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar logo
>>> colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't seem
>>> fit within that concept.
>>>
>>> Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go back
>>> to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but
>>> simple and clean and matches the UI.
>>>
>>> Eben
>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>> Sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise' metaphor for the
>>>>> growing ring.
>>>>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise orange to
>>>>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets (perhaps
>>>>> the darker one last).  These are just common earth metaphors that might come
>>>>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog or digital
>>>>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day ahead of them.
>>>>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically on the
>>>>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a home--a safe
>>>>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities.  "Will I grow
>>>>> too like the graphic is suggesting?"
>>>>> OK, these are just potential metaphors...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like that a lot.
>>>>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the 'About my
>>>>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed after
>>>>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me nervous about
>>>>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.)
>>>>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic guidelines'
>>>>>> page for deployments and packagers.
>>>>>> I suggest you try this sequence:
>>>>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential)
>>>>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe)
>>>>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for me? Will I
>>>>>> grow too as suggested?)
>>>>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic,  pausing, usually a
>>>>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing the name of
>>>>>> this tool and those who built it for me)         Do we want a gray Sugar
>>>>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix?
>>>>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the Sugar Home
>>>>>> view.)
>>>>>> Thanks everyone!       --Fred
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> > I mostly like it.  Seems to be close to what we want for now.
>>>>>>> > Please consider these adjustments:
>>>>>>> > 1.  No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer" panel).
>>>>>>> > 2.  Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet) to fit the
>>>>>>> > other
>>>>>>> > elements, leave out the fine print.
>>>>>>> > 3.  Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no unfilled
>>>>>>> > place
>>>>>>> > holders).  I feel more anticipation and suspense from the ring growing
>>>>>>> > without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the completed
>>>>>>> > color
>>>>>>> > burst.
>>>>>>> >         Thank you!        --Fred
>>>>>>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Here's the second mockup:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a "growing" or
>>>>>>> >> "approaching" XO avatar.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Comments welcome please.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> thanks
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Sean
>>>>>>> >
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