[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen (Alphinux)

[Andrés Arrieta Perréard]

Perhaps not a lot of help but I like the last one on
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
If it was easier to change the school logo that would be great.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.eliason at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo
> >>
> >> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too
> >> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is
> >> possible (networks being connected to at startup?)
> >>
> >> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can
> >> (travelling today)
> >>
> >> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the example
> >> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to
> >> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or after
> >> the Sugar spash page
> >
> > Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with
> > several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same
> > time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that feels
> > (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from the
> > UI.
> >
> > I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads powerfully, and
> > then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could entertain
> > a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the
> > sugar logo. Thoughts?
>
> +1
>
> >> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version
> >> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers,
> >
> > I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI.
> > Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot just to
> > find that info.
> >
> >> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have the
> >> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners might not
> >> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad
> >> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about versioning). We
> >> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running v0..84
> >> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many
> >> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we hope) sow
> >> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education
> >> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year... aside
> >> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to make
> >> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in
> >> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for
> >> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press releases);
> >> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of
> >> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping
> >> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each Activity)
> >> is a key aspect of that.
> >>
> >> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time (especially a
> >> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from Apple?
> >
> > We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the
> > center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left. The
> > info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings, which
> > might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design for
> > the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps
> > directly to the correct settings panel.
> >
> > We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings, removing
> > it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own modal
> > dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item.
> >
> > I would be fine with either approach.
> >
> >> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the screen;
> >> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX version
> >> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the Control
> >> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The bottom bar
> >> has room I think.
> >
> > There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only be
> > needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information you
> > want to carry with you all the time.
> >
> >> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if
> >> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity
> >> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the
> >> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good approach
> >> which would let us skip info in the splash screen.
> >>
> >> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo color
> >> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color is the
> >> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number.
> >
> > I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but
> > changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support
> > that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping
> > around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major
> > releases (2 per year, on average).
> >
> >
> > Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are
> > still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but won't
> > be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring the XO
> > in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be
> > introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of that
> > metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to
> > identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar logo
> > colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't seem
> > fit within that concept.
> >
> > Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go back
> > to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but
> > simple and clean and matches the UI.
> >
> > Eben
> >
> >> thanks
> >>
> >> Sean
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise' metaphor for
> the
> >>> growing ring.
> >>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise
> orange to
> >>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets
> (perhaps
> >>> the darker one last). ?These are just common earth metaphors that might
> come
> >>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog or
> digital
> >>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day ahead of
> them.
> >>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically on the
> >>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a home--a
> safe
> >>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities. ?"Will I
> grow
> >>> too like the graphic is suggesting?"
> >>> OK, these are just potential metaphors...
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I like that a lot.
> >>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the 'About my
> >>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed after
> >>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me nervous about
> >>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.)
> >>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic
> guidelines'
> >>>> page for deployments and packagers.
> >>>> I suggest you try this sequence:
> >>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential)
> >>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe)
> >>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for me? Will I
> >>>> grow too as suggested?)
> >>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic, ?pausing, usually a
> >>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing the name
> of
> >>>> this tool and those who built it for me) ? ? ? ? Do we want a gray
> Sugar
> >>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix?
> >>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the Sugar
> Home
> >>>> view.)
> >>>> Thanks everyone! ? ? ? --Fred
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>> > I mostly like it. ?Seems to be close to what we want for now.
> >>>>> > Please consider these adjustments:
> >>>>> > 1. ?No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer" panel).
> >>>>> > 2. ?Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet) to fit
> the
> >>>>> > other
> >>>>> > elements, leave out the fine print.
> >>>>> > 3. ?Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no
> unfilled
> >>>>> > place
> >>>>> > holders). ?I feel more?anticipation and?suspense from the ring
> growing
> >>>>> > without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the completed
> >>>>> > color
> >>>>> > burst.
> >>>>> > ?? ? ? ?Thank you! ? ? ? ?--Fred
> >>>>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Here's the second mockup:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a "growing"
> or
> >>>>> >> "approaching" XO avatar.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Comments welcome please.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> thanks
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Sean
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > _______________________________________________
> >>>>> > Marketing mailing list
> >>>>> > Marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org
> >>>>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Marketing mailing list
> >>> Marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org
> >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing
> >>>
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> >> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:35:33 +0100
> From: Gary C Martin <gary at garycmartin.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] [SoaS] Request for
>        Artwork:        Boot Screen
> To: Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com>
> Cc: Christian Marc Schmidt <christianmarc at gmail.com>,   Sugar Devel
>        <sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org>,      Eben Eliason
>        <eben.eliason at gmail.com>,       Marketing <
> marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org>,
>        anything <anything at christianmarcschmidt.com>,   iaep
>        <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>
> Message-ID: <72EDD1C7-8F95-4097-9380-A0E253AD806F at garycmartin.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:45, Sean DALY wrote:
>
> > Yes that would be very helpful I think
>
> I was just going to start tinkering again, I'll make an animated
> version of Eben's XO and progress-bar for evaluation.
>
> > If we can reach consensus by tomorrow and finish the actual PNG frames
> > over the weekend we will meet the deadline
> >
> > but, we need a volunteer to do the frames (unless Gary what you have
> > is nearly ready; my stuff is cut/pasted mockup no color control etc)
>
> Sure, getting a series of PNGs from any of my mock-ups is just a "save
> for web" away.
>
> Regards,
> --Gary
>
> > thanks
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt
> > <christianmarc at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I agree with Eben's points below...
> >>
> >> Maybe it would help if one of us mocked up the alternative he is
> >> describing?
> >>
> >> Christian
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.eliason at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.eliason at gmail.com
> >>> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too
> >>>>> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is
> >>>>> possible (networks being connected to at startup?)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can
> >>>>> (travelling today)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the
> >>>>> example
> >>>>> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to
> >>>>> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or
> >>>>> after
> >>>>> the Sugar spash page
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with
> >>>> several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same
> >>>> time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that
> >>>> feels
> >>>> (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from
> >>>> the
> >>>> UI.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads
> >>>> powerfully, and
> >>>> then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could
> >>>> entertain
> >>>> a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the
> >>>> sugar logo. Thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>>> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version
> >>>>> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers,
> >>>>
> >>>> I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI.
> >>>> Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot
> >>>> just to
> >>>> find that info.
> >>>>
> >>>>> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners
> >>>>> might not
> >>>>> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad
> >>>>> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about
> >>>>> versioning). We
> >>>>> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running
> >>>>> v0..84
> >>>>> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many
> >>>>> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we
> >>>>> hope) sow
> >>>>> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education
> >>>>> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year...
> >>>>> aside
> >>>>> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to
> >>>>> make
> >>>>> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in
> >>>>> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for
> >>>>> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press
> >>>>> releases);
> >>>>> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of
> >>>>> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping
> >>>>> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each
> >>>>> Activity)
> >>>>> is a key aspect of that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time
> >>>>> (especially a
> >>>>> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from
> >>>>> Apple?
> >>>>
> >>>> We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the
> >>>> center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left.
> >>>> The
> >>>> info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings,
> >>>> which
> >>>> might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design
> >>>> for
> >>>> the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps
> >>>> directly to the correct settings panel.
> >>>>
> >>>> We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings,
> >>>> removing
> >>>> it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own
> >>>> modal
> >>>> dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would be fine with either approach.
> >>>>
> >>>>> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the
> >>>>> screen;
> >>>>> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX
> >>>>> version
> >>>>> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the
> >>>>> Control
> >>>>> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The
> >>>>> bottom bar
> >>>>> has room I think.
> >>>>
> >>>> There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only
> >>>> be
> >>>> needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information
> >>>> you
> >>>> want to carry with you all the time.
> >>>>
> >>>>> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if
> >>>>> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity
> >>>>> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the
> >>>>> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good
> >>>>> approach
> >>>>> which would let us skip info in the splash screen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo
> >>>>> color
> >>>>> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color
> >>>>> is the
> >>>>> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but
> >>>
> >>> I meant to take this back before sending, and forgot to. I actually
> >>> think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome
> >>> idea.
> >>>
> >>> Eben
> >>>
> >>>> changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support
> >>>> that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping
> >>>> around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major
> >>>> releases (2 per year, on average).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are
> >>>> still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but
> >>>> won't
> >>>> be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring
> >>>> the XO
> >>>> in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be
> >>>> introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of
> >>>> that
> >>>> metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to
> >>>> identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar
> >>>> logo
> >>>> colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't
> >>>> seem
> >>>> fit within that concept.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go
> >>>> back
> >>>> to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but
> >>>> simple and clean and matches the UI.
> >>>>
> >>>> Eben
> >>>>
> >>>>> thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sean
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise'
> >>>>>> metaphor for
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> growing ring.
> >>>>>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise
> >>>>>> orange to
> >>>>>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets
> >>>>>> (perhaps
> >>>>>> the darker one last).  These are just common earth metaphors
> >>>>>> that might
> >>>>>> come
> >>>>>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>> digital
> >>>>>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day
> >>>>>> ahead of
> >>>>>> them.
> >>>>>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically
> >>>>>> on the
> >>>>>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a
> >>>>>> home--a
> >>>>>> safe
> >>>>>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities.
> >>>>>> "Will I
> >>>>>> grow
> >>>>>> too like the graphic is suggesting?"
> >>>>>> OK, these are just potential metaphors...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I like that a lot.
> >>>>>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the
> >>>>>>> 'About my
> >>>>>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed
> >>>>>>> after
> >>>>>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me
> >>>>>>> nervous about
> >>>>>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.)
> >>>>>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic
> >>>>>>> guidelines'
> >>>>>>> page for deployments and packagers.
> >>>>>>> I suggest you try this sequence:
> >>>>>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential)
> >>>>>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe)
> >>>>>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for
> >>>>>>> me? Will I
> >>>>>>> grow too as suggested?)
> >>>>>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic,  pausing, usually a
> >>>>>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing
> >>>>>>> the name
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> this tool and those who built it for me)         Do we want a
> >>>>>>> gray
> >>>>>>> Sugar
> >>>>>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix?
> >>>>>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the
> >>>>>>> Sugar
> >>>>>>> Home
> >>>>>>> view.)
> >>>>>>> Thanks everyone!       --Fred
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I mostly like it.  Seems to be close to what we want for now.
> >>>>>>>>> Please consider these adjustments:
> >>>>>>>>> 1.  No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer"
> >>>>>>>>> panel).
> >>>>>>>>> 2.  Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet)
> >>>>>>>>> to fit
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>> elements, leave out the fine print.
> >>>>>>>>> 3.  Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no
> >>>>>>>>> unfilled
> >>>>>>>>> place
> >>>>>>>>> holders).  I feel more anticipation and suspense from the ring
> >>>>>>>>> growing
> >>>>>>>>> without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the
> >>>>>>>>> completed
> >>>>>>>>> color
> >>>>>>>>> burst.
> >>>>>>>>>        Thank you!        --Fred
> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Here's the second mockup:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a
> >>>>>>>>>> "growing"
> >>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>> "approaching" XO avatar.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Comments welcome please.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> thanks
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sean
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>> Marketing mailing list
> >>>>>>>>> Marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org
> >>>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Marketing mailing list
> >>>>>> Marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org
> >>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> >>>>> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> >>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Marketing mailing list
> > Marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:38:11 -0400
> From: Eben Eliason <eben.eliason at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for
>        Artwork:        Boot Screen
> To: Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> Cc: anything <anything at christianmarcschmidt.com>,       Marketing
>        <marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org>, iaep <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>,
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> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.eliason at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo
> >>>
> >>> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too
> >>> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is
> >>> possible (networks being connected to at startup?)
> >>>
> >>> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can
> >>> (travelling today)
> >>>
> >>> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the example
> >>> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to
> >>> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or after
> >>> the Sugar spash page
> >>
> >> Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with
> >> several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same
> >> time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that feels
> >> (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from the
> >> UI.
> >>
> >> I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads powerfully, and
> >> then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could entertain
> >> a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the
> >> sugar logo. Thoughts?
> >
> > +1
>
> I don't have an XO nearby my to try this, so perhaps someone could
> investigate for me. We also need to decide how many frames we show the
> Sugar logo for before switching over to the XO. One frame might not be
> long enough. This is important because the number of dots shown (if we
> do dots) will be directly impacted.
>
> I'd wager that the Sugar logo should remain for perhaps somewhere from
> 10% to 25% of the boot duration (which may or may not be anything
> close to 1/10 or 1/4 of the frames).
>
> Eben
>
> >>> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version
> >>> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers,
> >>
> >> I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI.
> >> Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot just to
> >> find that info.
> >>
> >>> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have the
> >>> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners might not
> >>> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad
> >>> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about versioning). We
> >>> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running v0..84
> >>> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many
> >>> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we hope) sow
> >>> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education
> >>> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year... aside
> >>> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to make
> >>> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in
> >>> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for
> >>> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press releases);
> >>> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of
> >>> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping
> >>> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each Activity)
> >>> is a key aspect of that.
> >>>
> >>> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time (especially a
> >>> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from Apple?
> >>
> >> We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the
> >> center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left. The
> >> info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings, which
> >> might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design for
> >> the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps
> >> directly to the correct settings panel.
> >>
> >> We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings, removing
> >> it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own modal
> >> dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item.
> >>
> >> I would be fine with either approach.
> >>
> >>> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the screen;
> >>> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX version
> >>> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the Control
> >>> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The bottom bar
> >>> has room I think.
> >>
> >> There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only be
> >> needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information you
> >> want to carry with you all the time.
> >>
> >>> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if
> >>> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity
> >>> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the
> >>> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good approach
> >>> which would let us skip info in the splash screen.
> >>>
> >>> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo color
> >>> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color is the
> >>> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number.
> >>
> >> I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but
> >> changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support
> >> that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping
> >> around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major
> >> releases (2 per year, on average).
> >>
> >>
> >> Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are
> >> still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but won't
> >> be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring the XO
> >> in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be
> >> introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of that
> >> metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to
> >> identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar logo
> >> colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't seem
> >> fit within that concept.
> >>
> >> Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go back
> >> to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but
> >> simple and clean and matches the UI.
> >>
> >> Eben
> >>
> >>> thanks
> >>>
> >>> Sean
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise' metaphor for
> the
> >>>> growing ring.
> >>>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise
> orange to
> >>>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets
> (perhaps
> >>>> the darker one last). ?These are just common earth metaphors that
> might come
> >>>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog or
> digital
> >>>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day ahead of
> them.
> >>>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically on the
> >>>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a
> home--a safe
> >>>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities. ?"Will I
> grow
> >>>> too like the graphic is suggesting?"
> >>>> OK, these are just potential metaphors...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I like that a lot.
> >>>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the 'About
> my
> >>>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed after
> >>>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me nervous about
> >>>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.)
> >>>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic
> guidelines'
> >>>>> page for deployments and packagers.
> >>>>> I suggest you try this sequence:
> >>>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential)
> >>>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe)
> >>>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for me? Will
> I
> >>>>> grow too as suggested?)
> >>>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic, ?pausing, usually a
> >>>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing the
> name of
> >>>>> this tool and those who built it for me) ? ? ? ? Do we want a gray
> Sugar
> >>>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix?
> >>>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the Sugar
> Home
> >>>>> view.)
> >>>>> Thanks everyone! ? ? ? --Fred
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>> > I mostly like it. ?Seems to be close to what we want for now.
> >>>>>> > Please consider these adjustments:
> >>>>>> > 1. ?No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer" panel).
> >>>>>> > 2. ?Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet) to fit
> the
> >>>>>> > other
> >>>>>> > elements, leave out the fine print.
> >>>>>> > 3. ?Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no
> unfilled
> >>>>>> > place
> >>>>>> > holders). ?I feel more?anticipation and?suspense from the ring
> growing
> >>>>>> > without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the completed
> >>>>>> > color
> >>>>>> > burst.
> >>>>>> > ?? ? ? ?Thank you! ? ? ? ?--Fred
> >>>>>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> Here's the second mockup:
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a
> "growing" or
> >>>>>> >> "approaching" XO avatar.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> Comments welcome please.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> thanks
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> Sean
> >>>>>> >
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> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>
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