[Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen

[Gary C Martin]

On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:45, Sean DALY wrote:

> Yes that would be very helpful I think

I was just going to start tinkering again, I'll make an animated  
version of Eben's XO and progress-bar for evaluation.

> If we can reach consensus by tomorrow and finish the actual PNG frames
> over the weekend we will meet the deadline
>
> but, we need a volunteer to do the frames (unless Gary what you have
> is nearly ready; my stuff is cut/pasted mockup no color control etc)

Sure, getting a series of PNGs from any of my mock-ups is just a "save  
for web" away.

Regards,
--Gary

> thanks
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt
> <christianmarc at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I agree with Eben's points below...
>>
>> Maybe it would help if one of us mocked up the alternative he is  
>> describing?
>>
>> Christian
>>
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.eliason at gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.eliason at gmail.com 
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com>  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too
>>>>> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is
>>>>> possible (networks being connected to at startup?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can
>>>>> (travelling today)
>>>>>
>>>>> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the  
>>>>> example
>>>>> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to
>>>>> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or  
>>>>> after
>>>>> the Sugar spash page
>>>>
>>>> Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with
>>>> several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same
>>>> time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that  
>>>> feels
>>>> (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from  
>>>> the
>>>> UI.
>>>>
>>>> I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads  
>>>> powerfully, and
>>>> then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could  
>>>> entertain
>>>> a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the
>>>> sugar logo. Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version
>>>>> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers,
>>>>
>>>> I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI.
>>>> Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot  
>>>> just to
>>>> find that info.
>>>>
>>>>> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have  
>>>>> the
>>>>> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners  
>>>>> might not
>>>>> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad
>>>>> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about  
>>>>> versioning). We
>>>>> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running  
>>>>> v0..84
>>>>> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many
>>>>> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we  
>>>>> hope) sow
>>>>> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education
>>>>> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year...  
>>>>> aside
>>>>> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to  
>>>>> make
>>>>> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in
>>>>> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for
>>>>> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press  
>>>>> releases);
>>>>> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of
>>>>> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping
>>>>> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each  
>>>>> Activity)
>>>>> is a key aspect of that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time  
>>>>> (especially a
>>>>> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from  
>>>>> Apple?
>>>>
>>>> We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the
>>>> center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left.  
>>>> The
>>>> info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings,  
>>>> which
>>>> might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design  
>>>> for
>>>> the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps
>>>> directly to the correct settings panel.
>>>>
>>>> We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings,  
>>>> removing
>>>> it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own  
>>>> modal
>>>> dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item.
>>>>
>>>> I would be fine with either approach.
>>>>
>>>>> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the  
>>>>> screen;
>>>>> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX  
>>>>> version
>>>>> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the  
>>>>> Control
>>>>> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The  
>>>>> bottom bar
>>>>> has room I think.
>>>>
>>>> There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only  
>>>> be
>>>> needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information  
>>>> you
>>>> want to carry with you all the time.
>>>>
>>>>> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if
>>>>> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity
>>>>> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the
>>>>> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good  
>>>>> approach
>>>>> which would let us skip info in the splash screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo  
>>>>> color
>>>>> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color  
>>>>> is the
>>>>> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number.
>>>>
>>>> I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but
>>>
>>> I meant to take this back before sending, and forgot to. I actually
>>> think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome  
>>> idea.
>>>
>>> Eben
>>>
>>>> changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support
>>>> that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping
>>>> around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major
>>>> releases (2 per year, on average).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are
>>>> still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but  
>>>> won't
>>>> be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring  
>>>> the XO
>>>> in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be
>>>> introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of  
>>>> that
>>>> metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to
>>>> identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar  
>>>> logo
>>>> colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't  
>>>> seem
>>>> fit within that concept.
>>>>
>>>> Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go  
>>>> back
>>>> to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but
>>>> simple and clean and matches the UI.
>>>>
>>>> Eben
>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Sean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise'  
>>>>>> metaphor for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> growing ring.
>>>>>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise
>>>>>> orange to
>>>>>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets
>>>>>> (perhaps
>>>>>> the darker one last).  These are just common earth metaphors  
>>>>>> that might
>>>>>> come
>>>>>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog  
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> digital
>>>>>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day  
>>>>>> ahead of
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically  
>>>>>> on the
>>>>>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a  
>>>>>> home--a
>>>>>> safe
>>>>>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities.   
>>>>>> "Will I
>>>>>> grow
>>>>>> too like the graphic is suggesting?"
>>>>>> OK, these are just potential metaphors...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com 
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like that a lot.
>>>>>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the  
>>>>>>> 'About my
>>>>>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed  
>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me  
>>>>>>> nervous about
>>>>>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.)
>>>>>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic
>>>>>>> guidelines'
>>>>>>> page for deployments and packagers.
>>>>>>> I suggest you try this sequence:
>>>>>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential)
>>>>>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe)
>>>>>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for  
>>>>>>> me? Will I
>>>>>>> grow too as suggested?)
>>>>>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic,  pausing, usually a
>>>>>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing  
>>>>>>> the name
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> this tool and those who built it for me)         Do we want a  
>>>>>>> gray
>>>>>>> Sugar
>>>>>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix?
>>>>>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the  
>>>>>>> Sugar
>>>>>>> Home
>>>>>>> view.)
>>>>>>> Thanks everyone!       --Fred
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com>  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I mostly like it.  Seems to be close to what we want for now.
>>>>>>>>> Please consider these adjustments:
>>>>>>>>> 1.  No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer"  
>>>>>>>>> panel).
>>>>>>>>> 2.  Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet)  
>>>>>>>>> to fit
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> elements, leave out the fine print.
>>>>>>>>> 3.  Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no
>>>>>>>>> unfilled
>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>> holders).  I feel more anticipation and suspense from the ring
>>>>>>>>> growing
>>>>>>>>> without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the  
>>>>>>>>> completed
>>>>>>>>> color
>>>>>>>>> burst.
>>>>>>>>>        Thank you!        --Fred
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's the second mockup:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a  
>>>>>>>>>> "growing"
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> "approaching" XO avatar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Comments welcome please.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>>>
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