[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen

[Christian Marc Schmidt]

I agree with Eben's points below...

Maybe it would help if one of us mocked up the alternative he is  
describing?

Christian


On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.eliason at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason  
> <eben.eliason at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo
>>>
>>> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too
>>> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is
>>> possible (networks being connected to at startup?)
>>>
>>> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can
>>> (travelling today)
>>>
>>> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the  
>>> example
>>> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to
>>> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or after
>>> the Sugar spash page
>>
>> Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with
>> several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same
>> time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that feels
>> (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from the
>> UI.
>>
>> I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads powerfully,  
>> and
>> then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could entertain
>> a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the
>> sugar logo. Thoughts?
>>
>>> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version
>>> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers,
>>
>> I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI.
>> Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot just to
>> find that info.
>>
>>> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have the
>>> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners might  
>>> not
>>> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad
>>> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about versioning). We
>>> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running  
>>> v0..84
>>> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many
>>> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we hope)  
>>> sow
>>> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education
>>> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year... aside
>>> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to  
>>> make
>>> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in
>>> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for
>>> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press releases);
>>> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of
>>> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping
>>> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each Activity)
>>> is a key aspect of that.
>>>
>>> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time  
>>> (especially a
>>> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from  
>>> Apple?
>>
>> We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the
>> center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left. The
>> info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings, which
>> might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design for
>> the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps
>> directly to the correct settings panel.
>>
>> We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings,  
>> removing
>> it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own  
>> modal
>> dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item.
>>
>> I would be fine with either approach.
>>
>>> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the screen;
>>> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX  
>>> version
>>> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the  
>>> Control
>>> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The bottom  
>>> bar
>>> has room I think.
>>
>> There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only be
>> needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information you
>> want to carry with you all the time.
>>
>>> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if
>>> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity
>>> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the
>>> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good  
>>> approach
>>> which would let us skip info in the splash screen.
>>>
>>> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo  
>>> color
>>> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color is  
>>> the
>>> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number.
>>
>> I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but
>
> I meant to take this back before sending, and forgot to. I actually
> think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome idea.
>
> Eben
>
>> changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support
>> that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping
>> around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major
>> releases (2 per year, on average).
>>
>>
>> Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are
>> still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but  
>> won't
>> be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring the XO
>> in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be
>> introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of that
>> metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to
>> identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar logo
>> colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't  
>> seem
>> fit within that concept.
>>
>> Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go back
>> to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but
>> simple and clean and matches the UI.
>>
>> Eben
>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com>  
>>> wrote:
>>>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise'  
>>>> metaphor for the
>>>> growing ring.
>>>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise  
>>>> orange to
>>>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets  
>>>> (perhaps
>>>> the darker one last).  These are just common earth metaphors that  
>>>> might come
>>>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog  
>>>> or digital
>>>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day ahead  
>>>> of them.
>>>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically on  
>>>> the
>>>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a  
>>>> home--a safe
>>>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities.   
>>>> "Will I grow
>>>> too like the graphic is suggesting?"
>>>> OK, these are just potential metaphors...
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose  
>>>> <fgrose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I like that a lot.
>>>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the  
>>>>> 'About my
>>>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed  
>>>>> after
>>>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me nervous  
>>>>> about
>>>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.)
>>>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic  
>>>>> guidelines'
>>>>> page for deployments and packagers.
>>>>> I suggest you try this sequence:
>>>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential)
>>>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe)
>>>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for me?  
>>>>> Will I
>>>>> grow too as suggested?)
>>>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic,  pausing, usually a
>>>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing  
>>>>> the name of
>>>>> this tool and those who built it for me)         Do we want a  
>>>>> gray Sugar
>>>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix?
>>>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the  
>>>>> Sugar Home
>>>>> view.)
>>>>> Thanks everyone!       --Fred
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com>  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick Grose  
>>>>>> <fgrose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I mostly like it.  Seems to be close to what we want for now.
>>>>>>> Please consider these adjustments:
>>>>>>> 1.  No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer"  
>>>>>>> panel).
>>>>>>> 2.  Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet) to  
>>>>>>> fit the
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> elements, leave out the fine print.
>>>>>>> 3.  Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no  
>>>>>>> unfilled
>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>> holders).  I feel more anticipation and suspense from the ring  
>>>>>>> growing
>>>>>>> without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the  
>>>>>>> completed
>>>>>>> color
>>>>>>> burst.
>>>>>>>         Thank you!        --Fred
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com>  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's the second mockup:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a  
>>>>>>>> "growing" or
>>>>>>>> "approaching" XO avatar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Comments welcome please.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>
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