[Sugar-devel] Initial implementation of toolbars design

[Simon Schampijer]

On 07/30/2009 10:15 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote:
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> On 7/30/09 4:13 PM, "Simon Schampijer"<simon at schampijer.de>  wrote:
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>> On 07/30/2009 10:02 PM, Walter Bender wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Simon Schampijer<simon at schampijer.de>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 07/29/2009 07:03 PM, Gary C Martin wrote:
>>>>> Hi Simon,
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>>>>> On 29 Jul 2009, at 08:55, Simon Schampijer wrote:
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>>>>>>> FWIW: Picking the top level tool set is going to be a real tough call in
>>>>>>> a number of cases as we loose toolbar space for each extra tab, plus the
>>>>>>> activity icon on far left (essential for Activity recognition), plus the
>>>>>>> stop icon on far right (essential, no questions, no doubts). The
>>>>>>> features that actually fit in the remaining space may seem quite an
>>>>>>> arbitrary hotchpotch.
>>>>>> Gary, I am not sure I get your arguments right :/ Can you elaborate?
>>>>>> What I conclude of all the answers, I think that space in the primary
>>>>>> toolbar is an issue. So we need to decide what to put there. Does
>>>>>> activity icon and stop icon sounds good to you as well?
>>>>> Sorry if that wasn't clear. Activity icon and stop icon are essential.
>>>>> The Activity icon is going to be critical for identifying what activity
>>>>> you are in at a glance, especially if the actual title name is hidden
>>>>> away in a sub toolbar. A downside if we loose the title in the primary
>>>>> toolbar is reinforcement of knowing what activity you are in (say you
>>>>> are copy/pasting between two similar Write documents)...
>>>> Ok, thanks for the explanation. The differentiation of the running instance
>>>> of two activities of the same type is a good point. But, does this happen
>>>> often? I guess many kids will run one activity of each type at a time, and
>>>> remember performance constraints ;p And one can use the frame to distinguish
>>>> the activities.
>>> I often copy items from one open instance of an activity to another...
>>> e.g., grabbing a passage from a Write doc to paste into another.
>>> Keeping both open, as oppose to opening and closing is advantageous (I
>>> can alt-tab or use the frame to switch back and forth). But there is
>>> not an issue with names in those cases.
>> Ok, makes sense. Personally I would like to have the axtivity instance
>> title entry available in the primary toolbar - as I think it is a quite
>> important action. But I see as well the space issue... :/
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>>>> Personally, I see more the issue of naming an activity, since as said in
>>>> another post I am not really convinced about the naming alert.
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>>>> One little thing I am a bit worried about, is that we miss labels for the
>>>> sub-toolbars. I hope the icons are meaningful enough for the users - but
>>>> then labels can be misleading as well, and many of our users can't possibly
>>>> read.
>>> Are there not tool tips?
>> Not like 'edit', 'view' or something similar. The name of the tab in the
>> old design is gone.
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> Hi Simon--actually, I think we did have a concept for showing tooltips for
> tabs. Will need to check with Eben--we are set to have a conversation about
> this and several other issues tonight.
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> Looking great so far...
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> Christian

Nice, how could I even have thought a second that this is not thought 
through, yet ;D

Happy designing,
    Simon