[Sugar-devel] Sugar on Debian

[Tomeu Vizoso]

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 16:30, Jonas Smedegaard<dr at jones.dk> wrote:
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> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 02:59:03PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote:
>>On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:32:13PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>
>>>Do you mean to say that GConf-DBus is currently used with
>>>non-packaged Sugar, or just that it would be a cool idea to do so
>>>in the future?
>>sugar-jhbuild uses GConf-DBus. That's also the reason why I didn't
>>encounter the problems Michael had with Rainbow, BTW.
>
> Interesting!
>
> Perhaps it should be mentioned at any of these places:
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Source_Code
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/Sugar_Platform
>
> Could you please update with the upstream URL for GConf-DBus - it
> obviously seems relevant for us distro developers.
>
>
>>>shell.log contains a single entry saying (in danish, my language)
>>>that /home/jonas/.sugar/default/owner.key.pub does not exist.
>>Can you give the exact error message?
>
> 1247575787.276922 ERROR root: Error reading public key: [Errno 2] Ingen sådan fil eller filkatalog: '/home/jonas/.sugar/default/owner.key.pub'
>
>
>>You totally removed ~/.sugar beforehand, right (so it can't contain
>>an owner.key.pub with wrong permissions)?
>
> Yes.
>
>
>>>Xephyr just comes up with a black screen, and after the usual pile
>>>of warnings prints a couple of empty lines and then a segfault
>>>message (again in danish: Lagersegmentfejl).
>>Ouch. That's pretty bad.
>
> Agreed!
>
>
>>>Uncommenting all in ~/.sugar/debug there is still only that single
>>>line in shell.log but a coredump is provided, coming (according to
>>>"file core") from /usr/bin/sugar-session.
>>sugar-session is a Python script. I haven't been able to print the
>>Python stack from gdb since I upgraded to lenny, but maybe that's
>>fixed in squeeze? [1] contains instructions for doing so.
>>Setting the PYTHONVERBOSE env var might be a start (prints out a
>>message each time a module is loaded).
>
> See my newer post how I located the segfault to be at the import of
> logger.start() in the main() loop of sugar-session.
>
> Exporting PYTHONVERBOSE=1 in sugar rightly makes Python spew a lot of
> info, but nothing new - the last thing is my custom hint and then that
> same import of logger.start():
>
>
> [...]
> import sugar.graphics.entry # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sugar/graphics/entry.pyc
> # /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/jarabe/intro/colorpicker.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/jarabe/intro/colorpicker.py
> import jarabe.intro.colorpicker # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/jarabe/intro/colorpicker.pyc
> before log
> Lagersegmentfejl
>
>
>
>>>Output includes the following 8 Sugar-related entries:
>>[...]
>>OK, seems like gconf works in general. You might try removing those
>>settings (sorry, no idea where they are stored) in case some old
>>settings irritate Sugar. Please do a backup of the settings first so
>>we can reproduce the issue if it's really the cause of your trouble.
>
> Could you perhaps help me with some gconf command to remove it?
>
> And do you believe it to still be relevant to try, now that I have
> located the segfault as being at the logger.start() import?
>
>
>>>>I hope that some users will switch from sugar-jhbuild (which is
>>>>targeted to developers, not users) to Debian packages now that
>>>>0.84 is available.
>>>Your argument above was that 0.82 in Debian was minimal - so is 0.84.
>>Sure, but there's hope of improvement. What's the state of the
>>Read/Write dependencies in sid, BTW? Do they now provide what we
>>need?
>
> It seems I need to fix the Write dependency packaging myself, noone else
> is working on it.  It is not as simple as adding a compile flag,
> however: Debian has requirements on libraries (use of -PIC, causing
> library code to require double compilation) that is not met by the
> quickly thrown together hack that is libabiword.
>
> I started working on it, but then got deeply involved in ghostscript
> improvements exhausting my time availaible for packaging for several
> months. :-P
>
>
>>>I hope that some _developers_ will help package Sugar for Debian.
>>If you mean Sugar core developers
>
> I don't.  I simply mean that packaging is needed for it to be usable.

I'm installing debian testing right now, will give Sugar a try and report back.

Regards,

Tomeu

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