[Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

[Sebastian Dziallas]

Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
> David Van Assche wrote:
>> Yeah we are doing the same with edubuntu... which should include sugar
>> in Jaunty+1, when it is a little more mature (activity wise.) Kde-edu
>> has made massive advances in their edu tools and the kde team seems
>> very committed to getting the whole distro known as the 'edu' distro.
>> Part of the reason for this is that the Brazillian government made a
>> commitment to put 60 million users infront of kde 4... (not LTSP
>> sadly) but thats a pretty big market... so now they've decided to
>> really focus on edu... think of the possibilitiy of making learning
>> objects that are plasmoids... the sky is the limit... Anyway, edubuntu
>> is a mix of gnome and kde edu apps... and soon sugar edu stuff too....
>>
>> kind Regards,
>> David Van Assche
> 
> Yeah, I agree! The folks at KDE are doing a great job with their kdeedu 
> stuff. I came across this here recently, looks like a good plan to me 
> [1]; thanks to Greg for referring me to it. ;)
> 
> I'm not feared either of mixing Gnome, KDE and Sugar apps (XFCE is also 
> our Fedora spin), but there're some questions coming into my mind:
> 
> * How can we promote Sugar best?
> 
> So. Obviously the question would also be whether it makes sense to 
> include Sugar in a general Fedora Education Spin (e.g. which includes 
> also kdeedu). But how would this work? I mean would we just have to 
> desktops there, or how can we provide the best usability? And would 
> something like this worth targeting F11?
> 
> If the answer to the last question is 'yes', I'd need to hurry a bit 
> with modifying the kickstart and talking other folks.
> 
> * How can we prevent us from doing duplicated work?
> 
> Does it make sense to release Sugar on a Stick and a Fedora Sugar Spin 
> at the same time, with just marginal differences (e.g. having more 
> activities in SoaS but the Fedora trademark in the latter one)?
> 
> Or would it e.g. be worth considering to drop e.g. the Fedora Sugar Spin 
> and focus instead on SoaS *and* and inclusion of Sugar on a complete 
> Education Spin?
> 
> I think this really needs to be discussed. If you want to, even at 
> FOSDEM ;). These are just some thoughts and I'm not quite sure, where 
> this will end up, though.
> 
> --Sebastian

/me reminds himself of adding links before pushing the "send"-button.

[1] http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Education

>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Sebastian Dziallas <sebastian at when.com> wrote:
>>> Simon Schampijer schrieb:
>>>> David Van Assche wrote:
>>>>> What's wrong with offering kde, sugar, or gnome from the login manager
>>>>> (whatever that might be... that could be made as simple or complicated
>>>>> as one wanted.) Kde has an amazingly powerful group of edu apps, as
>>>>> does gnome, as does Sugar... all for different age groups... so it
>>>>> might make sense to make something all encompassing that is useful for
>>>>> all educational groups...
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>> If that is the desire from whoever is using those Sticks - off he goes.
>>>> Caroline wants to offer GNOME as well - great. Those images are easily
>>>> customizable - so as marco said there could be different versions.
>>> I just created a very first draft of a slimmed-down version including Gnome
>>> and Sugar on the same spin. Though, I didn't get to testing it yet. You can
>>> just have a look at the GIT repo here: [1]
>>>
>>> The soas-*.ks files are the ones which should also work on other hardware
>>> than the XO.
>>>
>>> --Sebastian
>>>
>>> [1] http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/fedora-xo;a=tree
>>>
>>>> Subnote: There is a size limit as well to some sticks - for example 1 GB
>>>> sticks are quite common - not sure if you can fit all the desktops on that
>>>> and offer space for the user he can write to as well.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>    Simon