[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
tomeu at sugarlabs.org
Wed Feb 11 05:00:19 EST 2009
I see frustration but I'm having trouble knowing who should have done
something and failed to do it.
Can we get a list of issues, each of them with a list of people that
may be able to do something about them?
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:16, David Van Assche <dvanassche at gmail.com> wrote:
> hey there sean.... essentially there is no difference between SoaS and
> cd.... the problem comes from the distro specific intricacies, which
> can be many more than devs care to admit... I agree.. this is not a
> usable product unless it alll works... saying.... oh welll speak
> doesnt work because of x or y, is no excuse. bios has nothing to do
> with this, this is purely distro related... for example... on fedora
> we have 80% workage, on ubuntu 40 maybe 50% workage... but for those
> of us in the field selling this tech, this is not accpetable... I say
> it again.... I know its an open source project but it doesnt help
> funding if we cant even get the damn thing to run.... a cd, btw, is
> worse than a stick at this point..... at least for ubuntu.... goood
> luck and lets work this shit out so we finally have a solution that
> works in schoosl
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It is absolutely vital that SoaS boot/install work in a reliable way.
>> Any nongeek user who can't use it will not bother reporting precise
>> bug information, and moreover will lose motivation to try it again. In
>> the case of branded USB sticks boot/install failures will make Sugar
>> Labs appear as a cruddy product. Branded sticks will need to work
>> every time.
>> OK that said I ask you to bear with me since I don't know enough about
>> the (surely formidable) technical hurdles in succeeding boot/install.
>> Can anyone brief me on the importance/difficulty of the following
>> factors? Perhaps there is a page which enumerates these factors?
>> * User difficulty configuring BIOS boot from USB
>> * Underlying distribution
>> * Recognizing hardware
>> * Dependencies
>> * Network (LAN, Internet) connectivity: configuration, absence thereof
>> * USB key locked in read-only mode
>> * Missing or buggy activities
>> Please forgive my ignorance but does SoaS generate a log at
>> boot/install? Are there error codes specific to Sugar? I would imagine
>> that's distribution-dependent... The user feedback rate could be
>> improved if we communicate a super-simple procedure on boot/install
>> failure, e.g. an e-mail address to send a boot/install log file to. As
>> well (perhaps this happens already?), on successful boot/install and
>> with Internet connnectivity, ideally the stick should phone home with
>> the boot log which would indicate successful SoaS/hardware
>> combinations and provide some statistics on how many sticks make it to
>> screens. Of course, per privacy concerns there should be no
>> user-identifiable information, or rather any such info should be
>> immediately anonymized. Is there a way to trap errors in each
>> activity, in case of error can the boot/install log be appended to,
>> can a user feedback agent return the updated log to us if the Net is
>> One more (maybe silly) question, is there a fundamental difference
>> between Sugar on a CD and Sugar on a Stick?
>> If this has been dealt with, any pointers to resources would be appreciated.
>> thank you
>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:34 AM, David Van Assche <dvanassche at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> well this entire conversation was really brought about because I
>>> couldnt practice speech with my 2 nephews... Im sorry if I crossed the
>>> line a bit, but I think what I said needed to be said... SoaS is
>>> indeed the best plqtform right now and the kids not only loved it
>>> (one 9 the other 3) they needed no explanation for the interface... to
>>> them it was as natural as eating a piece of bread.
>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Wade Brainerd <wadetb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche <dvanassche at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Im gonna try and make this easy:
>>>>>> SoaS - the latest fedora core based
>>>>>> I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one)
>>>>>> Speak - it will not even launch.... why is it then on a disitributed
>>>>> Aleksey Lim recently took over this orphaned package. Can you get in touch
>>>>> with him (alsroot on IRC) and help work it out? I have yet to even try SoaS
>>>>> but information on what activities do and don't work should be posted to
>>>>> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus so we can triage them.
>>>>> We are watching that page. Thus far most of our work has been migrating
>>>>> activities over to SL.org but hopefully we can start actually getting them
>>>>> to work on SoaS soon.
>>>> On a sidenote: some of the most exciting work for me last summer was
>>>> Hemant's text-to-speech work, which would have real impact if its
>>>> integration into Sugar were completed. How close is that to being
>>>>> http://dev.laptop.org/~wadeb/TypingTurtle-9.xo is the latest release but I
>>>>> can't guarantee it works on anything but XO.
>>>> [Getting pretty hot...]
>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
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