[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

[David Van Assche]

you know what the irony is with all this... all we need to do to get
those packs working is type ./configure --with-libabiword

I know because I took the painful step of doing it in from source...
this problem has now existed for 8 months... u tell me if that is
acceptable or not. u know the worst part of this entire debacle...
only the packzge ,aintainer can fix this 2 second fix::: but obviously
he has more important things to do.

I aplogogize again for my tone... but this has gone to far... folks
like u and me that are in the field selling this `crap`should not be
remotemy having these issues... come on people... u want funding...
let us do our job then!!!

Nubae

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Carol Farlow Lerche <cafl at msbit.com> wrote:
> Frustration -- yup.
>
> However, let's try to come up with a way forward that solves the problem in
> the sort-of near term, and the frustration in the very near term.
>
> I too have been trying to run sugar on ubuntu and having frustration.  So,
> what I think would minimize the frustration is a known place to look for the
> current state of what works, what doesn't work and why, and a way to work
> around the problem till it has a permanent fix.  It's obvious from the
> sugar-ubuntu list that quite a few people are finding and fixing bugs, but
> the fixes are in various stages of hitting the repositories.
>
> E.g. and correct if this is inaccurate, it looks to me like the first
> problem you hit with write and jigsawpuzzle is that abiword hasn't been
> repackaged to provide a "libabiword", and the people who can actually do
> that (the abiword project) haven't bought into or gotten around to this
> yet.  So can someone provide a different package, even an rpm that could be
> installed with alien?  and could the location of where to get this be noted
> in the "state of the sugar ubuntu nation"?  Same with other known problems
> that have been figured out but not percolated into a distributed fix.
>
> Rinse and repeat for SOAS and any other distros floating around.  This would
> at least make clear what is known to be wrong, and steps underway to fix.
>
> As for the second point, namely providing activities requested by teachers,
> I agree it is important, and I think Wade has an almost-ready typing tutor
> (google these lists for a prior thread on this).
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:14 PM, David Van Assche <dvanassche at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted
>> upon (much more importantly)
>>
>> Im gonna try and make this easy:
>>
>> SoaS - the latest fedora core based
>> I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one)
>> Speak - it will not even launch.... why is it then on a disitributed
>> stick?
>>
>> ubuntu -
>> no read
>> no write
>> no jiggzawpuzzle
>> etoys
>> scratch
>> epathi
>> measure
>> anything tam tam based
>> until very recently even browse
>> pdf reader of any kind
>> measure
>> distance
>> slider
>> video chat
>> abc flower (thing doesnt even exist)
>>
>> ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies...
>>
>>
>> what is the solution:
>>
>> we test the damn tings before release.... we do what greg
>> dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution:
>>
>> 1. make an educator mailinglist.... we get every educator we know on
>> the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed...
>> the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days:
>> Examples:
>>
>> 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever
>> the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph
>> based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils...
>>
>> guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked
>> for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet
>> exist.
>>
>> 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction....
>> groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers...
>>
>>
>> 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say
>> this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when
>> working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time...
>> yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing
>> list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll
>> actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly;
>>
>> 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get
>> together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will
>> really chqnge the world)
>>
>> I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into
>> creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar
>> mean something for teachers
>>
>> David (nubae) Van Assche
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