[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Future of Zero Sugar

Edward Cherlin echerlin at gmail.com
Wed Dec 16 03:59:11 EST 2009

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 20:31, Bryan Berry <bryan at olenepal.org> wrote:
> I strongly agree w/ tomeu on this.
> Making Sugar easier to contribute to isn't anywhere near the top of the list
> of requested features by our kids and teachers in Nepal.
> The far and away most requested feature by teachers in Nepal is a mechanism
> for kids to "turn in homework."

Can you set up Moodle instances for them? Do we need Nepali or other
localizations of Moodle?


I see nine Moodle sites listed in Nepal, including several at
Kathmandu University School of Education Distance Program.

There has been talk from time to time about putting a homework
submission capability into Journal. I have no idea how far that idea
has gotten, but I would give it a high priority if I could.

> I am not talking about invasive testing
> here. The typical Nepali teacher just wants to know which students out of
> 50-70 kids are failing to understand basic concepts.

Also, Bryan and his team would like to know which are the critical
conceptual and skill blockages for Nepali children so that the team
can create appropriate learning software. I have heard Bryan talk
about one such program that helped children advance several years in
math skill in a few months, catching up in many cases to grade level.

> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:25, Benjamin M. Schwartz
>> <bmschwar at fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> > Aleksey Lim wrote:
>> >> So, I have
>> >> strong intension to switching development focus from core team,
>> >> which develops sucrose - glucose(core) and fructose(some core
>> >> activities) to wide range of developers/doers thus some kind of
>> >> decentralization of development process.
>> >
>> > I agree. I think this has been a central part of the Sugar design
>> > philosophy from the beginning.  I think your message is very much on the
>> > right track.
>> While I think this is in the spirit of my vision for Sugar, my
>> experience with how Sugar is being used and deployed _today_ makes it
>> quite uninteresting and too invasive to consider for the near future.
>> The current barriers for people to contribute to Sugar development and
>> share their work are mostly cultural. We can make the technology a
>> thousand times easier to modify, but if people still think that they
>> can be only users, we won't gain anything.
>> If we really want more people to realize their power and modify sugar
>> and share their work, we need to, in order:
>> - show how the community can address some of their needs, as perceived by
>> them,
>> - show how they can better address the rest of their needs by working
>> within the community.
>> The rest is just icing on the top, IMHO.
>> Regards,
>> Tomeu
>> > [snip]
>> >>   * I hope to see many shell forks with implemented features like new
>> >>     sugar themes(wallpapers support, new icons etc.), Actions view
>> >>     implementations from non-core development/doers. The benefit they
>> >>     will have after 0install integration is more useful method to share
>> >>     these forks - just a regular entity on Activity Library that brings
>> >>     new shell to user environment
>> >
>> > I don't think this part will work as "a regular entity on Activity
>> > Library", for security reasons.  Any "Activity" that hooks so deeply
>> > into
>> > the shell is no longer safe to run.  It is running with the full
>> > authority
>> > of the user and can violate the user's privacy or interfere with the
>> > user's actions.  In orders to encourage users to become doers, Sugar is
>> > designed to make sure that Activities are always safe to run (thanks to
>> > Bitfrost/Rainbow protections).
>> >
>> > I would of course support an effort to "wall off" parts of the shell in
>> > a
>> > secure fashion, but so far almost no work has been done in that
>> > direction.
>> >
>> > --Ben
>> >
>> >
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