[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Future of Zero Sugar

Tomeu Vizoso tomeu at sugarlabs.org
Mon Dec 14 13:19:51 EST 2009

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:25, Benjamin M. Schwartz
<bmschwar at fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
> Aleksey Lim wrote:
>> So, I have
>> strong intension to switching development focus from core team,
>> which develops sucrose - glucose(core) and fructose(some core
>> activities) to wide range of developers/doers thus some kind of
>> decentralization of development process.
> I agree. I think this has been a central part of the Sugar design
> philosophy from the beginning.  I think your message is very much on the
> right track.

While I think this is in the spirit of my vision for Sugar, my
experience with how Sugar is being used and deployed _today_ makes it
quite uninteresting and too invasive to consider for the near future.

The current barriers for people to contribute to Sugar development and
share their work are mostly cultural. We can make the technology a
thousand times easier to modify, but if people still think that they
can be only users, we won't gain anything.

If we really want more people to realize their power and modify sugar
and share their work, we need to, in order:

- show how the community can address some of their needs, as perceived by them,

- show how they can better address the rest of their needs by working
within the community.

The rest is just icing on the top, IMHO.



> [snip]
>>   * I hope to see many shell forks with implemented features like new
>>     sugar themes(wallpapers support, new icons etc.), Actions view
>>     implementations from non-core development/doers. The benefit they
>>     will have after 0install integration is more useful method to share
>>     these forks - just a regular entity on Activity Library that brings
>>     new shell to user environment
> I don't think this part will work as "a regular entity on Activity
> Library", for security reasons.  Any "Activity" that hooks so deeply into
> the shell is no longer safe to run.  It is running with the full authority
> of the user and can violate the user's privacy or interfere with the
> user's actions.  In orders to encourage users to become doers, Sugar is
> designed to make sure that Activities are always safe to run (thanks to
> Bitfrost/Rainbow protections).
> I would of course support an effort to "wall off" parts of the shell in a
> secure fashion, but so far almost no work has been done in that direction.
> --Ben
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