[Sugar-devel] [Karma] Re: svg and png for subjects in chakra

[Felipe López Toledo]

>> Ideally, I would like to just drop the lesson folder under a specific
>> place (with a config file) and then everything will be done: links,
>> put the lesson on the correct grade, include the lesson on the
>> necessary menus, etc..
>> but that's not possible without using a server side solution, maybe
>> using Narwhal or Rhino... but, please note that those tools are server
>> side.
>
> Yeah, as previously mentioned we gotta figure out a way of how to get from a
> random collection of lessons to a single package with a corresponding Chakra
> and everything...
> All suggestions are more than welcome!
ok,

Bryan has started a karma utility:
(http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Karma/Utilities),
using this tool I have thought on this:

1. to create empty templates of Chakra and other specific (containers) files
so, if some organization or someone wants to add or modify Chakra (or
other file) it will be easy

2. a lesson must contain a config file
that config file must specify the lesson details : the grade, the subject, etc.
so, when running karma utility it will look for that file in order to
populate the necessaries files (based on the templates)

greetings

2009/8/20 Christoph Derndorfer <christoph.derndorfer at gmail.com>:
> 2009/8/21 Felipe López Toledo <zer.subzero at gmail.com>
>>
>> > On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 16:37 +0545, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
>> > > I thought about the "stage 3" design some more and really think we
>> > > need
>> > > to come up with a good idea on how accommodate all those lessons...
>> > >
>> > > The "month" drop-down menu that Bryan suggested in his mockup is
>> > > something I don't like. First of all it's the only place in Karma (at
>> > > least so far) where we'd be using a drop down menu and secondly
>> > > because
>> > > they're more complicated to implement, making it harder for people to
>> > > adapt the Chakra to their own needs.
>> >
>> > drop-down menus are pretty easy afaik, unless i am missing something
>> yeah, pretty easy.
>
> Okay, I'll follow Bryan's suggestion and create two versions so people can
> toy around with both of them...
>
>>
>> Ideally, I would like to just drop the lesson folder under a specific
>> place (with a config file) and then everything will be done: links,
>> put the lesson on the correct grade, include the lesson on the
>> necessary menus, etc..
>> but that's not possible without using a server side solution, maybe
>> using Narwhal or Rhino... but, please note that those tools are server
>> side.
>
> Yeah, as previously mentioned we gotta figure out a way of how to get from a
> random collection of lessons to a single package with a corresponding Chakra
> and everything...
> All suggestions are more than welcome!
>>
>> > > Also I was thinking that we should try to avoid using scrolling action
>> > > unless absolutely necessary (reasoning: I think it can be confusing
>> > > for
>> > > new users, scrollbars are generally hard to handle and they don't look
>> > > so pretty) so I'd prefer to go for a single screen design (such as in
>> > > the current EPaath).
>> >
>> > w/ a single screen design, chakra won't be able to accommodate an
>> > arbitrary # of lessons in a given week w/out shrinking the lesson icons
>> I'm agreed with Bryan,
>> an option is having a specific number of lesson (icons) on a single
>> screen,
>> then, we will have several screens
>> maybe a page (screen) 1, 2, .....N, could work?
>
> Mmm, that's certainly a very good idea especially since that multiple-screen
> interaction mode will also be used within Karma lessons (similar to what
> EPaath does now).
> Should I create two versions (one with a scrollbar, another one with
> multiple screens) again to see what things really look like?
>
>>
>> > > A question I have is whether we mainly want to identify lessons via
>> > > (a)
>> > > their names or (b) the screenshots associated with them. I have a
>> > > feeling that EPaath's UI implicitly learns towards (b) at the moment.
>> > > I'm thinking that (b) might be an advantage for very young kids but in
>> > > general it's probably better to focus on the name of the lesson.
>> > >
>> > > For the "navigation bar" one option I thought about was using the
>> > > images
>> > > of the respective sub-categories instead of a text (so instead of Home
>> > > -
>> > > Grade 1 we'd have: "Home"-icon - "Grade 1"-icon or something).
>> >
>> > I prefer your idea to use icons
>> +1, plus alt attribute
>
> Okay, I'll do a quick mockup of that today.
> Christoph
>
>>
>> 2009/8/20 Bryan Berry <bryan at olenepal.org>
>> >
>> > On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 16:37 +0545, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
>> > > I thought about the "stage 3" design some more and really think we
>> > > need
>> > > to come up with a good idea on how accommodate all those lessons...
>> > >
>> > > The "month" drop-down menu that Bryan suggested in his mockup is
>> > > something I don't like. First of all it's the only place in Karma (at
>> > > least so far) where we'd be using a drop down menu and secondly
>> > > because
>> > > they're more complicated to implement, making it harder for people to
>> > > adapt the Chakra to their own needs.
>> >
>> > drop-down menus are pretty easy afaik, unless i am missing something
>> >
>> > > Also I was thinking that we should try to avoid using scrolling action
>> > > unless absolutely necessary (reasoning: I think it can be confusing
>> > > for
>> > > new users, scrollbars are generally hard to handle and they don't look
>> > > so pretty) so I'd prefer to go for a single screen design (such as in
>> > > the current EPaath).
>> >
>> > w/ a single screen design, chakra won't be able to accommodate an
>> > arbitrary # of lessons in a given week w/out shrinking the lesson icons
>> >
>> > Wny don't you create 2 mockups, one more like the old Epaath and the
>> > other w/ the drop-down menu? then we can show it around and have better
>> > idea of which may be best
>> >
>> > > A question I have is whether we mainly want to identify lessons via
>> > > (a)
>> > > their names or (b) the screenshots associated with them. I have a
>> > > feeling that EPaath's UI implicitly learns towards (b) at the moment.
>> > > I'm thinking that (b) might be an advantage for very young kids but in
>> > > general it's probably better to focus on the name of the lesson.
>> > >
>> > > For the "navigation bar" one option I thought about was using the
>> > > images
>> > > of the respective sub-categories instead of a text (so instead of Home
>> > > -
>> > > Grade 1 we'd have: "Home"-icon - "Grade 1"-icon or something).
>> >
>> > I prefer your idea to use icons
>> >
>> > > Looking forward to your feedback.
>> > >
>> > > Christoph
>> > >
>> > > Christoph Derndorfer schrieb:
>> > > > (CC'ing Felipe as I just realized that he hadn't been on this
>> > > > thread)
>> > > >
>> > > > Okay, I've attached screenshot.png to show what the current Chakra
>> > > > mockup looks like within Browse on the XO.
>> > > >
>> > > > I went for a grey background behind the icons because white is too
>> > > > harsh in my opinion (see white_bg.png for what it looks like). That
>> > > > brown at the bottom is also still quite hideous so we'll have to
>> > > > find
>> > > > a nice colour there.
>> > > >
>> > > > As for colours I also think that it might make sense to give the
>> > > > navigation bar (Home - Grade 1...) a different background colour to
>> > > > the surrounding background. What do you think about that?
>> > > >
>> > > > Now we also gotta figure out how to design "stage 3" (the actual
>> > > > lesson selection), should I do a quick mockup based on Bryan's
>> > > > suggestion
>> > > >
>> > > > (http://karmaproject.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/chakra33.png?w=872&h=428)?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Another thing we should think about is just wide and high we want to
>> > > > keep that navigation area. The current dimensions seem to work quite
>> > > > well on the XO with the number of currently included icons. However
>> > > > for larger lesson bundles and especially also the lesson selection
>> > > > itself I'm not sure whether this provides us with enough screen real
>> > > > estate to nicely accommodate everything.
>> > > >
>> > > > Let me know what you think.
>> > > >
>> > > > Christoph
>> > > >
>> > > > Christoph Derndorfer schrieb:
>> > > >> Great, thanks a lot!
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I'll integrate them into the Chakra mockup tomorrow... :-)
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Christoph
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Om Prakash Yadav schrieb:
>> > > >>> Here are the buttons in individual transparent PNG file format.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
>> > > >>> From: Christoph Derndorfer [mailto:e0425826 at student.tuwien.ac.at]
>> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:46 PM
>> > > >>> To: Om Prakash Yadav
>> > > >>> Cc: 'Bryan Berry'
>> > > >>> Subject: Re: new svg and jpg
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Great stuff!
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Would it be possible for you to send me the PNGs for the
>> > > >>> individual
>> > > >>> buttons so I can easily integrate them in my current Chakra
>> > > >>> mockup?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Thanks in advance,
>> > > >>> Christoph
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Om Prakash Yadav schrieb:
>> > > >>>> Modified and new buttons, please check them out.
>> > > >>>> The buttons for grades for the main screen will follow the same
>> > > >>>> style but
>> > > >>>> with letters only.
>> > > >>>> I can give them to you in transparent PNG format for use in HTML
>> > > >>>> page.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > > >>>> From: Christoph Derndorfer [mailto:e0425826 at student.tuwien.ac.at]
>> > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:14 PM
>> > > >>>> To: Om Prakash Yadav
>> > > >>>> Cc: 'Bryan Berry'
>> > > >>>> Subject: Re: new svg and jpg
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> I generally really like them but think that the fadeout into the
>> > > >>>> white at the top is too strong at the moment.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Christoph
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Om Prakash Yadav schrieb:
>> > > >>>>> Tell me how you like these and I will make the buttons for the
>> > > >>>>> rest of
>> > > >>> the
>> > > >>>>> subjects.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > > >>>>> From: Christoph Derndorfer
>> > > >>>>> [mailto:e0425826 at student.tuwien.ac.at]
>> > > >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:30 PM
>> > > >>>>> To: Bryan Berry
>> > > >>>>> Cc: Om Prakash Yadav
>> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: new svg and jpg
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Please find attached the latest version with the label now being
>> > > >>>>> "health"
>> > > >>>>> rather than "medicine".
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Christoph
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Christoph Derndorfer schrieb:
>> > > >>>>>> Quite a good start I dare say!
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> I'll change the "medicine" to "health" text once the Inkscape
>> > > >>>>>> download is finished (any day now!!!;-)
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Christoph
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Bryan Berry schrieb:
>> > > >>>>>>>
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>> > > >>>>> Christoph Derndorfer
>> > > >>>>> co-editor, olpcnews
>> > > >>>>> url: www.olpcnews.com
>> > > >>>>> e-mail: christoph at olpcnews.com
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Felipe López Toledo