[Sugar-devel] [Karma] Re: svg and png for subjects in chakra

[Felipe López Toledo]

> On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 16:37 +0545, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
> > I thought about the "stage 3" design some more and really think we need
> > to come up with a good idea on how accommodate all those lessons...
> >
> > The "month" drop-down menu that Bryan suggested in his mockup is
> > something I don't like. First of all it's the only place in Karma (at
> > least so far) where we'd be using a drop down menu and secondly because
> > they're more complicated to implement, making it harder for people to
> > adapt the Chakra to their own needs.
>
> drop-down menus are pretty easy afaik, unless i am missing something
yeah, pretty easy.
Ideally, I would like to just drop the lesson folder under a specific
place (with a config file) and then everything will be done: links,
put the lesson on the correct grade, include the lesson on the
necessary menus, etc..
but that's not possible without using a server side solution, maybe
using Narwhal or Rhino... but, please note that those tools are server
side.

> > Also I was thinking that we should try to avoid using scrolling action
> > unless absolutely necessary (reasoning: I think it can be confusing for
> > new users, scrollbars are generally hard to handle and they don't look
> > so pretty) so I'd prefer to go for a single screen design (such as in
> > the current EPaath).
>
> w/ a single screen design, chakra won't be able to accommodate an
> arbitrary # of lessons in a given week w/out shrinking the lesson icons
I'm agreed with Bryan,
an option is having a specific number of lesson (icons) on a single screen,
then, we will have several screens
maybe a page (screen) 1, 2, .....N, could work?

> > A question I have is whether we mainly want to identify lessons via (a)
> > their names or (b) the screenshots associated with them. I have a
> > feeling that EPaath's UI implicitly learns towards (b) at the moment.
> > I'm thinking that (b) might be an advantage for very young kids but in
> > general it's probably better to focus on the name of the lesson.
> >
> > For the "navigation bar" one option I thought about was using the images
> > of the respective sub-categories instead of a text (so instead of Home -
> > Grade 1 we'd have: "Home"-icon - "Grade 1"-icon or something).
>
> I prefer your idea to use icons
+1, plus alt attribute

2009/8/20 Bryan Berry <bryan at olenepal.org>
>
> On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 16:37 +0545, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
> > I thought about the "stage 3" design some more and really think we need
> > to come up with a good idea on how accommodate all those lessons...
> >
> > The "month" drop-down menu that Bryan suggested in his mockup is
> > something I don't like. First of all it's the only place in Karma (at
> > least so far) where we'd be using a drop down menu and secondly because
> > they're more complicated to implement, making it harder for people to
> > adapt the Chakra to their own needs.
>
> drop-down menus are pretty easy afaik, unless i am missing something
>
> > Also I was thinking that we should try to avoid using scrolling action
> > unless absolutely necessary (reasoning: I think it can be confusing for
> > new users, scrollbars are generally hard to handle and they don't look
> > so pretty) so I'd prefer to go for a single screen design (such as in
> > the current EPaath).
>
> w/ a single screen design, chakra won't be able to accommodate an
> arbitrary # of lessons in a given week w/out shrinking the lesson icons
>
> Wny don't you create 2 mockups, one more like the old Epaath and the
> other w/ the drop-down menu? then we can show it around and have better
> idea of which may be best
>
> > A question I have is whether we mainly want to identify lessons via (a)
> > their names or (b) the screenshots associated with them. I have a
> > feeling that EPaath's UI implicitly learns towards (b) at the moment.
> > I'm thinking that (b) might be an advantage for very young kids but in
> > general it's probably better to focus on the name of the lesson.
> >
> > For the "navigation bar" one option I thought about was using the images
> > of the respective sub-categories instead of a text (so instead of Home -
> > Grade 1 we'd have: "Home"-icon - "Grade 1"-icon or something).
>
> I prefer your idea to use icons
>
> > Looking forward to your feedback.
> >
> > Christoph
> >
> > Christoph Derndorfer schrieb:
> > > (CC'ing Felipe as I just realized that he hadn't been on this thread)
> > >
> > > Okay, I've attached screenshot.png to show what the current Chakra
> > > mockup looks like within Browse on the XO.
> > >
> > > I went for a grey background behind the icons because white is too
> > > harsh in my opinion (see white_bg.png for what it looks like). That
> > > brown at the bottom is also still quite hideous so we'll have to find
> > > a nice colour there.
> > >
> > > As for colours I also think that it might make sense to give the
> > > navigation bar (Home - Grade 1...) a different background colour to
> > > the surrounding background. What do you think about that?
> > >
> > > Now we also gotta figure out how to design "stage 3" (the actual
> > > lesson selection), should I do a quick mockup based on Bryan's
> > > suggestion
> > > (http://karmaproject.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/chakra33.png?w=872&h=428)?
> > >
> > >
> > > Another thing we should think about is just wide and high we want to
> > > keep that navigation area. The current dimensions seem to work quite
> > > well on the XO with the number of currently included icons. However
> > > for larger lesson bundles and especially also the lesson selection
> > > itself I'm not sure whether this provides us with enough screen real
> > > estate to nicely accommodate everything.
> > >
> > > Let me know what you think.
> > >
> > > Christoph
> > >
> > > Christoph Derndorfer schrieb:
> > >> Great, thanks a lot!
> > >>
> > >> I'll integrate them into the Chakra mockup tomorrow... :-)
> > >>
> > >> Christoph
> > >>
> > >> Om Prakash Yadav schrieb:
> > >>> Here are the buttons in individual transparent PNG file format.
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Christoph Derndorfer [mailto:e0425826 at student.tuwien.ac.at]
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:46 PM
> > >>> To: Om Prakash Yadav
> > >>> Cc: 'Bryan Berry'
> > >>> Subject: Re: new svg and jpg
> > >>>
> > >>> Great stuff!
> > >>>
> > >>> Would it be possible for you to send me the PNGs for the individual
> > >>> buttons so I can easily integrate them in my current Chakra mockup?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks in advance,
> > >>> Christoph
> > >>>
> > >>> Om Prakash Yadav schrieb:
> > >>>> Modified and new buttons, please check them out.
> > >>>> The buttons for grades for the main screen will follow the same
> > >>>> style but
> > >>>> with letters only.
> > >>>> I can give them to you in transparent PNG format for use in HTML page.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Christoph Derndorfer [mailto:e0425826 at student.tuwien.ac.at]
> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:14 PM
> > >>>> To: Om Prakash Yadav
> > >>>> Cc: 'Bryan Berry'
> > >>>> Subject: Re: new svg and jpg
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I generally really like them but think that the fadeout into the
> > >>>> white at the top is too strong at the moment.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Christoph
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Om Prakash Yadav schrieb:
> > >>>>> Tell me how you like these and I will make the buttons for the
> > >>>>> rest of
> > >>> the
> > >>>>> subjects.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: Christoph Derndorfer [mailto:e0425826 at student.tuwien.ac.at]
> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:30 PM
> > >>>>> To: Bryan Berry
> > >>>>> Cc: Om Prakash Yadav
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: new svg and jpg
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Please find attached the latest version with the label now being
> > >>>>> "health"
> > >>>>> rather than "medicine".
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Christoph
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Christoph Derndorfer schrieb:
> > >>>>>> Quite a good start I dare say!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I'll change the "medicine" to "health" text once the Inkscape
> > >>>>>> download is finished (any day now!!!;-)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Christoph
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Bryan Berry schrieb:
> > >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ---
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Christoph Derndorfer
> > >>>>> co-editor, olpcnews
> > >>>>> url: www.olpcnews.com
> > >>>>> e-mail: christoph at olpcnews.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> --
> Bryan W. Berry
> Technology Director
> OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
>



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Felipe López Toledo