[Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick File Structure - Summary of problems and potential solutions

[David Farning]

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Mathieu Bridon
(bochecha)<bochecha at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> My original response went only to you (it seems like I'm having more
> and more of this, sorry about that) so you in turn only replied to me.

Google was having trouble with the Reply-to-all default in gmail and
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button in the upper right corner now defaults to reply.

david

> Here it is for all the list to benefit :)
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 01:12, Caroline Meeks<caroline at solutiongrove.com> wrote:
>> All,
>> This was my attempt to put together a list from the brainstorming we have
>> been doing so we can all look at it, generate more ideas and decide which
>> ones we can eliminate.
>>
>> Hi Mathieu,
>> Thanks, I didn't know that a full install still wouldn't be readable on a
>> windows machine.  I;d be interested if anyone has any ideas.
>> Its not unusual for things you want to optimize to be correlated negatively
>> or positively.
>> Also the things to be optimized are not necessarily things that are wrong
>> with the current system for instance it excels at size.
>> Mathieu, can you tell me more or point me to documentation about the
>> Overlay?
>
> Jeremy Katz, one of the Fedora devs that worked on the liveCD/USB
> technology we use in Fedora already answered and shared some light in
> the other thread where you were asking for more information (I had put
> him in CC). You should definitely bounce on his answer if you still
> need more, I think he's one of the people with the most knowledge on
> this matter :)
>
>> Walter,
>> We are clearly
>> mis understanding each other somewhere.  Would it help if I changed
>>  "Solutions currently being considered:" to
>> "Potential Solutions we are currently considering testing to see if they
>> work and how they compare on the things we want to optimize for:"
>> I'll start another thread about failures and what we know about them within
>> the next 48 hours.
>> Walter, can your OpenSuse USB can be read by Windows?
>
> Except if the OpenSUSE key uses FAT32 (or NTFS) as a filesystem, I
> doubt it will (and I really doubt those are used on a Linux live
> system :)
>
>
>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
>> <bochecha at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> > To be acceptable a solution should solve all of these problems.
>>>
>>> >   2. Allow a VM system to read user files and thus allow us to create a
>>> > VM that
>>> > can switch users
>>> >   3. Allow a user to put the stick into a windows/mac/linux machine and
>>> > find
>>> > their files
>>>
>>> This is always going to be a problem. For exemple, the default Linux
>>> filesystem (at least on Fedora) is ext3 or ext4. Windows can't read
>>> those filesystems (without adding some experimental software), so even
>>> a full install will not solve this issue.
>>>
>>> > Things we wish to optimized
>>> >
>>> >   1. Ability to work with poor quality sticks
>>> >   3. Amount of abuse the stick can take and still work
>>>
>>> Those 2 seem rather contradictory, and I'm not sure there's a lot that
>>> can be done in software, at least in Sugar world :)
>>>
>>> >   2. Size of stick needed
>>> >   4. Size of download to create the stick
>>> >   5. Time it takes to create the stick
>>>
>>> Those three are intimately related. If we can make the image as small
>>> as possible, it should be faster to create it.
>>>
>>> >   6. Easy user experience creating the stick
>>>
>>> What exactly are the problems ? Speaking only for myself, I never had
>>> a problem creating a SoaS USB (but I might not be representative of
>>> your target population :). Were all usability issues reported upstream
>>> ?
>>>  https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/
>>
>> Live USB Creator works great! Its been a tremendous boon in getting people
>> to try Sugar. I did report a bug, I think it was fixed.  I don't know if you
>> are behind the LiveUSB creator for windows but please tell whoever did it
>> thank you!
>> However, our Sugar on a Stick in a classroom use case will require us to
>> create our own. We need something that lets a teacher pick what activities
>> and language the kids should have and probably preload some content then
>> clone sticks with all those settings but without the name and the key we use
>> for collaboration.  We'll want something that works from within Sugar.  We'd
>> love help with this project!
>> A teacher will need to make 20-30 sticks or if they are the computer teacher
>> for the whole school (this is common in the US) 100-300 sticks.  We would
>> thus like something that can use a standard cheap 4-8 USB port and create
>> multiple USB sticks without user intervention between sticks.  Do you know
>> of any existing solutions for that?
>>>
>>> > Solutions currently being considered:
>>> >
>>> >   2. Full install of Fedora
>>>
>>> As I said, this will not fix the issue of accessing files from Windows
>>> (no idea from Mac OS X).
>>
>> Darn!
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------
>>>
>>> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Caroline Meeks
>> Solution Grove
>> Caroline at SolutionGrove.com
>>
>> 617-500-3488 - Office
>> 505-213-3268 - Fax
>>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> ----------
>
> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
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