[Sugar-devel] discussion of which javascript framework to use for Karma

[Lucian Branescu]

jQuery makes the DOM suck less, that's it's main plus. I think the
jQuery UI is complete enough for most tasks and doesn't have
architectural constraints that keep it from getting better. It's also
quite small.

However, I don't think it should matter too much which framework is
blessed. Web devs have their preferences (granted, most like jQuery).
If jQuery in compatibility mode is used for the framework itself, web
devs can use whichever framework they like. They get more consistency
if they use jQuery, but it shouldn't be a problem if they don't.

2009/4/21 Bryan Berry <bryan at olenepal.org>:
> Subzero,
>
> below is a conversation I had w/ my friend Christopher Marin who is a
> web developer. El es ecuadoreno pero crecimos juntos en Los Angeles.
>
> also, this google trends report should be of interest
> http://www.google.com/trends?q=dojo%2C+extjs%2C+jQuery%2C
> +mootools&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=0
>
>  me:  hey dude, have a moment to chat?
>  C:  Sure
>  me:  I am working w/ a GSoC participant on Karma
> the first thing to do is evaluate which js framework to use
> we are going to evaluate dojo, jQuery, and at least 1 more
> what do you recommend?
>  Christopher:  Great
> My favorite general use js framework at the moment is jQuery. It seems
> to have the most momentum behind it, creator is js genius, and it is
> easy to write apps with it.
> The only thing it doesn't have a strong base in right now is widgets
>  me:  and widgets are what?
>  Christopher:  In my opinion ext is tops here.
> Things like grids, windowing and layout systems, tabs, menus,
> accordions, etc
>  me:  will jQuery catch up in time? or is it limited architecturally?
>  Christopher:  Ext can actually run on top of jquery
> So in our app at my company we run both jquery and ext
> Jquery has ui project
>  me:  and jquery-ui is analogous to extjs widgets?
>  Christopher:  They've made good strides lately, already have a book out
> just on that subproject
> Yes, but not as mature or near the range of functionality, yet, though
> I'm sure they'll catch up eventually
> Ext is coming out with a major new release soon, the base version of 3
> is already outC
> Best thing to do with them is to check out their samples, documentation
> is also top notch. Also a few books came out on ext recently
>  me:  what about extjs community? its leadership?
>  Christopher:  Only issue with ext is licensing
>  me:  i don't like licensing problems at all
>  Christopher:  They made their licensing more strict as of 3. Free for
> open source projects, uses gpl
> But commercial is supposed to pay
>  me:  but for-profit, closed-source companies have to pay?
>  Christopher:  Community and leadership of ext good, though nothing
> seems as large as jquery community nowadays
>  me:  I don't like that. I want closed-source education companies to
> switch from Flash to js
> How do u compare dojo to jQuery?
>  Christopher:  Yes, those have to pay
> Microsoft and nokie recently standardized on jquery
> Nokia
> So lots of folks from those camps are contributing code and samples
>  me:  cool, and big for-profit edu companies will like it better if uses
> similar technologies to MS
>  Christopher:  Dojo is mature, probably stronger in  widgets, or at
> least more standardized in terms of look and feel
> The thing is with jquery there are a million plugins, but until ui
> project there was no standardization of look and feel, and how
> components shoulkd interact
>  Sent at 9:52 AM on Tuesday
>  Christopher:  That's the beauty of ext, you can do a full almost
> desktop like ui with sortable, filterable grids, even bake it all into
> adobe air.  jquery not quite there yet
>  Sent at 9:54 AM on Tuesday
>  me:  it's pretty critical to me that commercial companies use our
> little framework. Anything that slows down commercial adoption would be
> bad.
>  Christopher:  But back to dojo, my sense is that it has lost momentum,
> along with prototype and scriptaculous. Mootools is another intersting
> one.
>  me:  could dojo regain the momentum? does it have good leadership?
>  Christopher:  An interesting experiment would be to do a search of
> these on google trends. You'll see how these have fared over the last
> year
>  me:  sure
>  Sent at 9:56 AM on Tuesday
>  Christopher:  If I had to pick one framework it would be jquery
> Chances are, someone somewhere will have solved many of the challenges
> you'll face
>  me:  which is what I am really hoping for
> what are more plusses, minuses for dojo?
> here is an older trend report file:///home/hitman/Desktop/Personal/Link%
> 20to%20docs/javascript/jquery/jquery_beginning_part1_files/trends.jpg
>  Christopher:  To be honest I haven't used it much at all. Tried one of
> their widgets a couple years ago. I think the thing I didn't like at the
> time was the skins, they weren't particularly pretty.
> On my cell right now, can't see links
>  me:  john resig is really impressive
>  Christopher:  Yeah, just used one of his functions of his blog a few
> hours ago to remove a specific element from an array (whish js had that
> natively)
>  me:  thanks this has been extremely helpful
>
>
>
> --
> Bryan W. Berry
> Technology Director
> OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
>
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