[Sugar-devel] Feedback on SoaS

[Tomeu Vizoso]

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 15:22, Sebastian Dziallas <sebastian at when.com> wrote:
> Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 15:04, Sean DALY<sdaly.be at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> InfoSlicer has been called out in our two press releases... as a
>>> resource for teachers....
>>
>> Talking about press releases, we don't have there Labyrinth (mind maps) :(
>>
>> Tomeu
>
> In the press release? Since, Labyrinth isn't included in the beta, that's
> probably not a bad thing... ;)

No, we had it in the first press release, but wasn't really ready by then.

Not sure if it's very tragic if it's missing in beta-1.

Regards,

Tomeu

> --Sebastian
>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Tomeu Vizoso<tomeu at sugarlabs.org>
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 14:43, Caroline Meeks<solutiongrove at gmail.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tomeu,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm curious how setting which activities show up as Favorites works at
>>>>> a
>>>>> technical level.
>>>>>
>>>>> How hard is that to change? Its quite important right now as part of
>>>>> the
>>>>> initial user experience.  We don't want broken activities, we want cool
>>>>> activities that people "get" quickly.  Ideally, when a cool activity is
>>>>> fixed it would be great to add it to the beta, but we have to balance
>>>>> that
>>>>> against stability of the image.
>>>>>
>>>>> If its not too hard to change I think we should set up a wiki page
>>>>> where we
>>>>> can discuss what should be in the favorites rings and potentially
>>>>> update the
>>>>> image fairly regularly.
>>>>
>>>> It's quite easy, a matter of editing this file here:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mainline/blobs/master/sugar.ks#line83
>>>>
>>>> and spinning a new build.
>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I nominate FlipSticks and think InfoSlicer should not be in
>>>>> the
>>>>> ring.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also when a new activity is downloaded is it automatically added to the
>>>>> favorites ring?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Tomeu
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Caroline
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Tomeu Vizoso<tomeu at sugarlabs.org>
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 23:21, James
>>>>>> Simmons<jim.simmons at walgreens.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I haven't actually tried SoaS-Beta-1 (I'm assuming this is different
>>>>>>> from what was released on the 10th) but I do have some leftover
>>>>>>> comments
>>>>>>> based on what I saw last week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One thing we have to consider with Sugar on a Stick is that for many,
>>>>>>> maybe most people it will be their first experience of Sugar.  We
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to consider that when we choose what Activities to install by
>>>>>>> default.
>>>>>>> We want Activities that make a good first impression.  By that, I
>>>>>>> mean
>>>>>>> Activities that a kid can click on the icon to bring them up and
>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>> fooling around with them without having to read instructions first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am flattered as hell that View Slides made the cut, but as its
>>>>>>> author
>>>>>>> I say it is a lousy choice.  Read Etexts, which is not included but
>>>>>>> which I believe Aleksey Lim was thinking about including, would have
>>>>>>> been equally bad.  To actually use these Activities you need to read
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> website first.  You can't just click on their icons and get them to
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> anything useful.  To use View Slides you need to have some content in
>>>>>>> the Journal, it has to be in the correct format, and you have to do
>>>>>>> something non-obvious to Resume it.  View Slides doesn't make a good
>>>>>>> first impression.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In contrast to that, the Tam Tam Activities make a *much* better
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> impression but are not included.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/768
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pippy might be a better choice than Develop, for similar reasons.
>>>>>>>  Pippy
>>>>>>> has built in code samples ready to try out.  Develop does not.  Also,
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the machines I tried Develop used a *very* small font in the edit
>>>>>>> window.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Created http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/767
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I notice Read is not included.  Now Read *could* be something that
>>>>>>> gives
>>>>>>> a good first impression.  Suppose you had the DJVU evince plugins
>>>>>>> installed, you could perhaps start SoaS with an eBook from the
>>>>>>> Internet
>>>>>>> Archive already in the Journal.  A good choice might be the
>>>>>>> beautifully
>>>>>>> illustrated edition of The Wizard of Oz from that website, in either
>>>>>>> djvu or PDF format.  The kid would click on the entry in the Journal,
>>>>>>> and because it uses a MIME type that is only used by Read it would
>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>> right up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The idea was that viewer activities like Read, Read ETexts, etc would
>>>>>> not appear in the favorites window. They are installed (can see in the
>>>>>> activities list), but will be launched only once the user tries to
>>>>>> view some content from the journal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has been suggested that we ship some files already in the journal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm warming up to the idea of Unified Bundles that was discussed on
>>>>>>> Sugar-devel last week.  If we had that working we could include
>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>> books in the Activity Ring and properly show off what Sugar could do
>>>>>>> with plain text files, slide shows, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Until then I would prefer that kids find out about Read Etexts and
>>>>>>> View
>>>>>>> Slides from http://activities.sugarlabs.org/.  They'll have a better
>>>>>>> idea what to expect from them if they read about them on that website
>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good, please keep opening tickets so people are reminded about
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tomeu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James Simmons
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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