[Sugar-devel] Feedback on SoaS

[Sebastian Dziallas]

Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 15:04, Sean DALY<sdaly.be at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> InfoSlicer has been called out in our two press releases... as a
>> resource for teachers....
>
> Talking about press releases, we don't have there Labyrinth (mind maps) :(
>
> Tomeu

In the press release? Since, Labyrinth isn't included in the beta, 
that's probably not a bad thing... ;)

--Sebastian

>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Tomeu Vizoso<tomeu at sugarlabs.org>  wrote:
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 14:43, Caroline Meeks<solutiongrove at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> Hi Tomeu,
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious how setting which activities show up as Favorites works at a
>>>> technical level.
>>>>
>>>> How hard is that to change? Its quite important right now as part of the
>>>> initial user experience.  We don't want broken activities, we want cool
>>>> activities that people "get" quickly.  Ideally, when a cool activity is
>>>> fixed it would be great to add it to the beta, but we have to balance that
>>>> against stability of the image.
>>>>
>>>> If its not too hard to change I think we should set up a wiki page where we
>>>> can discuss what should be in the favorites rings and potentially update the
>>>> image fairly regularly.
>>> It's quite easy, a matter of editing this file here:
>>>
>>> http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mainline/blobs/master/sugar.ks#line83
>>>
>>> and spinning a new build.
>>>
>>>> Personally, I nominate FlipSticks and think InfoSlicer should not be in the
>>>> ring.
>>>>
>>>> Also when a new activity is downloaded is it automatically added to the
>>>> favorites ring?
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Tomeu
>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Caroline
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Tomeu Vizoso<tomeu at sugarlabs.org>  wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 23:21, James Simmons<jim.simmons at walgreens.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I haven't actually tried SoaS-Beta-1 (I'm assuming this is different
>>>>>> from what was released on the 10th) but I do have some leftover comments
>>>>>> based on what I saw last week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing we have to consider with Sugar on a Stick is that for many,
>>>>>> maybe most people it will be their first experience of Sugar.  We need
>>>>>> to consider that when we choose what Activities to install by default.
>>>>>> We want Activities that make a good first impression.  By that, I mean
>>>>>> Activities that a kid can click on the icon to bring them up and start
>>>>>> fooling around with them without having to read instructions first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am flattered as hell that View Slides made the cut, but as its author
>>>>>> I say it is a lousy choice.  Read Etexts, which is not included but
>>>>>> which I believe Aleksey Lim was thinking about including, would have
>>>>>> been equally bad.  To actually use these Activities you need to read the
>>>>>> website first.  You can't just click on their icons and get them to do
>>>>>> anything useful.  To use View Slides you need to have some content in
>>>>>> the Journal, it has to be in the correct format, and you have to do
>>>>>> something non-obvious to Resume it.  View Slides doesn't make a good
>>>>>> first impression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In contrast to that, the Tam Tam Activities make a *much* better first
>>>>>> impression but are not included.
>>>>> In http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/768
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pippy might be a better choice than Develop, for similar reasons.  Pippy
>>>>>> has built in code samples ready to try out.  Develop does not.  Also, on
>>>>>> the machines I tried Develop used a *very* small font in the edit
>>>>>> window.
>>>>> Created http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/767
>>>>>
>>>>>> I notice Read is not included.  Now Read *could* be something that gives
>>>>>> a good first impression.  Suppose you had the DJVU evince plugins
>>>>>> installed, you could perhaps start SoaS with an eBook from the Internet
>>>>>> Archive already in the Journal.  A good choice might be the beautifully
>>>>>> illustrated edition of The Wizard of Oz from that website, in either
>>>>>> djvu or PDF format.  The kid would click on the entry in the Journal,
>>>>>> and because it uses a MIME type that is only used by Read it would open
>>>>>> right up.
>>>>> The idea was that viewer activities like Read, Read ETexts, etc would
>>>>> not appear in the favorites window. They are installed (can see in the
>>>>> activities list), but will be launched only once the user tries to
>>>>> view some content from the journal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has been suggested that we ship some files already in the journal.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm warming up to the idea of Unified Bundles that was discussed on
>>>>>> Sugar-devel last week.  If we had that working we could include actual
>>>>>> books in the Activity Ring and properly show off what Sugar could do
>>>>>> with plain text files, slide shows, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Until then I would prefer that kids find out about Read Etexts and View
>>>>>> Slides from http://activities.sugarlabs.org/.  They'll have a better
>>>>>> idea what to expect from them if they read about them on that website
>>>>>> first.
>>>>> Sounds good, please keep opening tickets so people are reminded about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tomeu
>>>>>
>>>>>> James Simmons
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>> Solution Grove
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>>>>
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