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Thu May 15 06:35:26 EDT 2008
equivalent of OLPC/Quanta selling the machines to Microsoft and they doing
whatever they want with them. I'm not as clear on this point, but is there
an ethical problem with selling the machine to Microsoft? Could OLPC
ethically Not sell the machine to whoever wanted to buy them in large
volumes? We must remember that hardware companies have invested a good deal
of money on the expectation that they can at best break even on the XO
production. They haven't reached nearly the levels of machines sold to
satisfy these manufacturors.
Do I want to see Windows on the XO? No, never, and god I hope not. Will
Microsoft end up screwing us? Likely, given their history.
Will this still give us the chance to put great hardware and content into
the hands of children all over the world? Yes.
But Linux and FOSS can't triumph over Microsoft by excluding them and by
obfusication. We need to make a better product.
With Walter Bender on his own and dedicated to bringing Sugar to every
machine on a FOSS stack, and all OLPC produced software being safely GPL'ed,
I feel confident that Sugar can beat out Windows. Let's focus on getting
sugar and linux and what we *can* do instead of being angry. I plan on
staying and producing content, translations and improvements for OLPC and
for children.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org
Seth Woodworth
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Asheesh Laroia <asheesh at creativecommons.org>
wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008, Nicholas Negroponte wrote:
>
> > One Laptop per Child is announcing an agreement with Microsoft
> > to make a dual boot, Linux/Windows, version of the XO laptop. In
> > addition, our intention is to engage one or more third parties to port
> Sugar to
> > run on Windows in order to reach a wider installed base of laptops. In
> the
> > meanwhile, OLPC remains fully committed to our goal: a completely free
> > and open learning platform for the world's children. The mission
> > statement of OLPC has not changed in three years (attached).
>
> My copy of this mail (as available at
> http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-May/005752.html ) does not
> have the attachment of the mission statement.
>
> -- Asheesh.
>
> --
> Absolutum obsoletum. (If it works, it's out of date.)
> -- Stafford Beer
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Let's look at this with a slightly different lens before we blow up on NN and Microsoft.<br><br>What does this agreement equate to? And what are the alternatives to Microsoft?<br><br>If the XO was running a completely closed source stack with no documentation on hardware, how would the Linux community feel? They would feel that they were being shut out and not allowed to run whatever software they wanted to or develop. This is something the linux community has speared hardware companies over for years.<br>
<br>So as a fair practice I think it's clear that no special actions can ethically be made to prevent Windows or any other OS from running on the machine. So a Windows port for the XO isn't something that could have been preventative.<br>
<br>Furthermore OLPC's sale of the XO hardware doesn't come with any restrictions for use. To not allow countries to install windows once they take ownership would be a completely unethical move given OLPC's commitments to freedom.<br>
<br>From scuttlebut about this deal and the way that I understand it, it's the equivalent of OLPC/Quanta selling the machines to Microsoft and they doing whatever they want with them. I'm not as clear on this point, but is there an ethical problem with selling the machine to Microsoft? Could OLPC ethically Not sell the machine to whoever wanted to buy them in large volumes? We must remember that hardware companies have invested a good deal of money on the expectation that they can at best break even on the XO production. They haven't reached nearly the levels of machines sold to satisfy these manufacturors. <br>
<br>Do I want to see Windows on the XO? No, never, and god I hope not. Will Microsoft end up screwing us? Likely, given their history.<br><br>Will this still give us the chance to put great hardware and content into the hands of children all over the world? Yes. <br>
<br>But Linux and FOSS can't triumph over Microsoft by excluding them and by obfusication. We need to make a better product.<br><br>With Walter Bender on his own and dedicated to bringing Sugar to every machine on a FOSS stack, and all OLPC produced software being safely GPL'ed, I feel confident that Sugar can beat out Windows. Let's focus on getting sugar and linux and what we *can* do instead of being angry. I plan on staying and producing content, translations and improvements for OLPC and for children.<br>
<br><a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org</a><br><br>Seth Woodworth<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Asheesh Laroia <<a href="mailto:asheesh at creativecommons.org">asheesh at creativecommons.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Thu, 15 May 2008, Nicholas Negroponte wrote:<br>
<br>
> One Laptop per Child is announcing an agreement with Microsoft<br>
> to make a dual boot, Linux/Windows, version of the XO laptop. In<br>
> addition, our intention is to engage one or more third parties to port Sugar to<br>
> run on Windows in order to reach a wider installed base of laptops. In the<br>
> meanwhile, OLPC remains fully committed to our goal: a completely free<br>
> and open learning platform for the world's children. The mission<br>
> statement of OLPC has not changed in three years (attached).<br>
<br>
</div>My copy of this mail (as available at<br>
<a href="http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-May/005752.html" target="_blank">http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-May/005752.html</a> ) does not<br>
have the attachment of the mission statement.<br>
<br>
-- Asheesh.<br>
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Absolutum obsoletum. (If it works, it's out of date.)<br>
-- Stafford Beer<br>
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