[sugar] Sugar Digest, Vol 22, Issue 85

[Horváth-Militicsi Attila]

Dear Walter

I am more for Linux then the "microscopic soft". The first is gratis for 
everybody and the second takes you with its mad prices beyond the rim of 
normality. And Microsoft does not have a value as aclaimed throughout paid 
reclamas - i.e. the Office packet in the Ultima version has a price beyond 
500 euros - around 800 US$... in practice its less then 5 euros worth.
    The other problem is that most countries, the African ones in first 
place cant afford so high priced and so fastly changing software. I am using 
more and more Open Office and its for free. When it does change I have not 
to learn how to use it as the design is always the same.
    Microsoft's time is gone and the royal crown has to go to Linux and Open 
Office.
    "Stay on the used way and you wont be robbed" says a Hungarian proverb 
and the road here is Linux and Open Office.
Sincerely yours
Attila Horvath-Militicsi, from Novi Sad
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>   1. Re: This project is rolling, so should OLPC (Simon Schampijer)
>   2. Re: This project is rolling, so should OLPC (Bryan Berry)
>   3. Re: This project is rolling, so should OLPC (Simon Schampijer)
>   4. Error when building libabiword-plugins (Marco Pesenti Gritti)
>   5. Re: [Community-news] on Sugar (Peter Krenesky)
>   6. Fwd: {OLPC Nepal} Re: [FOSSNepal] Re: Report: OLPC may
>      eventually switch from Linux to Windows XP (Prakhar Agarwal)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:24:27 +0200
> From: Simon Schampijer <simon at schampijer.de>
> Subject: Re: [sugar] This project is rolling, so should OLPC
> To: Bryan Berry <bryan.berry at gmail.com>
> Cc: olpc-open <olpc-open at lists.laptop.org>, OLPC Developer's List
> <devel at lists.laptop.org>, sugar <sugar at lists.laptop.org>
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> Bryan Berry wrote:
>> Our pilots at Bishwamitra and Bashuki schools start this Friday and I
>> couldn't be more excited.
>
> This is great! Are there any blockers left on which you could use remote
> help on? Did you solve the customized build issues you had?
>
> Best,
>    Simon
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:14:12 +0545
> From: Bryan Berry <bryan.berry at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [sugar] This project is rolling, so should OLPC
> To: Simon Schampijer <simon at schampijer.de>
> Cc: olpc-open <olpc-open at lists.laptop.org>, OLPC Developer's List
> <devel at lists.laptop.org>, sugar <sugar at lists.laptop.org>
> Message-ID: <1209043752.7133.52.camel at dell.linuxdev.us.dell.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> simon, thanks for your concern
>
> fixed the customized build problems.  All ready for tomorrow. You guys
> should realize that about 80% of my time is taken up by logistics.
> Testing, organizing XO's, labeling them, etc. I spent 4 hours today
> packing the XO's for tomorrow. ah the joy. little time left for actual
> technical stuff.
>
> w/in the next few weeks hope to figure out how edit pre-boot image using
> puritan. Should be fun and under a lot less pressure then ;)
>
>
> On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 15:24 +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote:
>> Bryan Berry wrote:
>> > Our pilots at Bishwamitra and Bashuki schools start this Friday and I
>> > couldn't be more excited.
>>
>> This is great! Are there any blockers left on which you could use remote
>> help on? Did you solve the customized build issues you had?
>>
>> Best,
>>     Simon
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:39:06 +0200
> From: Simon Schampijer <simon at schampijer.de>
> Subject: Re: [sugar] This project is rolling, so should OLPC
> To: Bryan Berry <bryan.berry at gmail.com>
> Cc: olpc-open <olpc-open at lists.laptop.org>, OLPC Developer's List
> <devel at lists.laptop.org>, sugar <sugar at lists.laptop.org>
> Message-ID: <48108D7A.7050807 at schampijer.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Bryan Berry wrote:
>> simon, thanks for your concern
>>
>> fixed the customized build problems.  All ready for tomorrow. You guys
>> should realize that about 80% of my time is taken up by logistics.
>> Testing, organizing XO's, labeling them, etc. I spent 4 hours today
>> packing the XO's for tomorrow. ah the joy. little time left for actual
>> technical stuff.
>
> Ok I see. Happy to hear everything is in good shape :)
>
> Enjoy the day tomorrow,
>    Simon
>
>
>> w/in the next few weeks hope to figure out how edit pre-boot image using
>> puritan. Should be fun and under a lot less pressure then ;)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 15:24 +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote:
>>> Bryan Berry wrote:
>>>> Our pilots at Bishwamitra and Bashuki schools start this Friday and I
>>>> couldn't be more excited.
>>> This is great! Are there any blockers left on which you could use remote
>>> help on? Did you solve the customized build issues you had?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>     Simon
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:34:11 +0200
> From: "Marco Pesenti Gritti" <mpgritti at gmail.com>
> Subject: [sugar] Error when building libabiword-plugins
> To: "Sugar List" <sugar at laptop.org>
> Cc: martines at unimelb.edu.au
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hello,
>
> I'm building libabiword-plugins on Fedora (soon to be) 9 and I get the
> following error. libstdc++ version is 4.3.0.
>
> Btw, can we update sugar-jhbuild to use 2.6.2? if someone can upload
> tarballs on sugar.abisource.com I'll be happy to take care of jhbuild
> modulesets update...
>
> Marco
>
>
> g++ -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"abiword-plugins\"
> -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"abiword-plugins\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"2.6.0\"
> "-DPACKAGE_STRING=\"abiword-plugins 2.6.0\""
> -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"http://bugzilla.abisource.com/\"
> -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1
> -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1
> -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1
> -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DPACKAGE=\"abiword-plugins\"
> -DVERSION=\"2.6.0\" -DHAVE_DLFCN_H=1 -DHAVE_BOOST=
> -DHAVE_BOOST_THREAD= -I. -I. -I./../../.. -I./../../../core/packet
> -DDEBUG -DUT_DEBUG
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/af/util/xp
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/af/util/unix
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/af/xap/xp
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/af/ev/xp
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/af/gr/xp
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/text/fmt/xp
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/text/ptbl/xp
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/wp/impexp/xp
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/wp/ap/xp
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/other/spell/xp
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/other/fribidi/xp
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/other/ttftool/unix
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/af/xap/unix
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/af/ev/unix
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/af/gr/unix
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/text/fmt/unix
> -I../../../../../../libabiword-2.6.0.svn20071127/src/wp/ap/unix
> -DABI_PLUGIN_VERSION=\"2.6.0\" -DABI_PLUGIN_MAJOR=2
> -DABI_PLUGIN_MINOR=6 -DABI_PLUGIN_MICRO=0 -DABI_PLUGIN_SOURCE=1
> -DABICOLLAB_RECORD_ALWAYS -I/usr/include/loudmouth-1.0
> -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include
> -DABICOLLAB_HANDLER_XMPP -I/usr/include/freetype2
> -I/usr/include/fribidi -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
> -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/libgsf-1
> -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0
> -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo
> -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/libglade-2.0 -g -O2 -MT
> XMPPUnixAccountHandler.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/XMPPUnixAccountHandler.Tpo
> -c XMPPUnixAccountHandler.cpp  -fPIC -DPIC -o
> .libs/XMPPUnixAccountHandler.o
> In file included from XMPPUnixAccountHandler.h:24,
>                 from XMPPUnixAccountHandler.cpp:20:
> ./../../../backends/xmpp/xp/XMPPAccountHandler.h:27: error:
> 'std::string' has not been declared
> make[5]: *** [XMPPUnixAccountHandler.lo] Error 1
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:43:42 -0700
> From: Peter Krenesky <peter at osuosl.org>
> Subject: Re: [sugar] [Community-news] on Sugar
> To: "C. Scott Ananian" <cscott at cscott.net>
> Cc: devel at laptop.org, sugar at laptop.org, Nicholas Negroponte
> <nn at media.mit.edu>
> Message-ID: <48109C9E.6030500 at osuosl.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> C. Scott Ananian wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Nicholas Negroponte <nn at media.mit.edu> 
>> wrote:
>>>  For this reason, Sugar needs a wider basis, to run on more Linux 
>>> platforms
>>> and to run under Windows. We have been engaged in discussions with 
>>> Microsoft
>>> for several months, to explore a dual boot version of the XO. Some of 
>>> you
>>> have seen what Microsoft developed on their own for the XO. It works 
>>> well
>>> and now needs Sugar on top of it (so to speak).
>>
>> You have been saying variations of this for a while now, but:
>>  * OLPC has not hired any Windows developers
>>  * OLPC has not adjusted its timeline to allow for time necessary for
>> such a port.
>>
>> What are we to make of this?  Are you serious about Sugar on Windows
>> or not?  If you are, then you need to immediately hire *at least* 10
>> windows developers to actually perform the port, and inform the
>> deployment countries that we are placing a hold on new development for
>> at least 6 months while the port is prepared.  And the result, of
>> course, will be a new version of Sugar which is guaranteed to run *no
>> better* than the one on Linux.  From an IT management perspective,
>> this is madness.
>>
>> If you are not serious about Sugar on Windows within the next year,
>> please continue to avoid 'now' and use 'might' and 'someday' when you
>> talk about it, and we'll continue to try to make Sugar-on-Linux
>> achieve its potential.  I approve of keeping OLPC's options open, in
>> case your current development team (myself included) cannot deliver on
>> Sugar's potential, but setting vague (and demoralizing) goals for
>> future development -- without actually devoting the resources to
>> achieve those goals -- is madness.  You have only succeeded in
>> alienating the developers you need to make Sugar-on-Linux work,
>> without actually achieving any progress on Sugar-on-Windows.
>>  --scott
>>
>
>
> The sugar team has accomplished an amazing amount in the time they've
> spent so far.  However, there are so many features, like security, that
> were not implemented or implemented as well as they should have been.
> Several people said a lack of manpower was to blame.
>
> If more resources are available for porting to windows, why weren't more
> developers hired for the initial work on sugar?  Is there new funding
> that is making this port possible?
>
> What I'm having a hard time with is how this new, much greater
> commitment can be honored when the initial undertaking was understaffed.
>    Sugar was _already_ an integral part of the XO and it now seems like
> it was not given the attention it deserved.
>
> -Peter
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:16:10 +0530
> From: "Prakhar Agarwal" <prakhar.jiit at gmail.com>
> Subject: [sugar] Fwd: {OLPC Nepal} Re: [FOSSNepal] Re: Report: OLPC
> may eventually switch from Linux to Windows XP
> To: devel at lists.laptop.org, sugar <sugar at lists.laptop.org>
> Message-ID:
> <e77296bc0804240746s5fab7381h2c543024688aa4c9 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Bibek Paudel <eternalyouth at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:18 PM
> Subject: {OLPC Nepal} Re: [FOSSNepal] Re: Report: OLPC may eventually 
> switch
> from Linux to Windows XP
> To: foss-nepal at googlegroups.com, olpcnepal at googlegroups.com,
> nepal at lists.laptop.org
>
>
>
> Hi all,
> While I personally think it is bad for OLPC to switch to Windows XP,
> here a few observations that I have made:
>
> 1. Any development/education project meant for third world countries
> is best when it is natively grown. A top down approach where some guy
> in Boston teaches us how to change things in our neighbourhood is
> never likely to understand and respect our situation and problems. He
> has other priorities. A bottom-up approach should be devised where
> grassroot organizations from different parts of the world collaborate
> to form a mother organization that works in their benefit. Compare
> this to Nepal's political situation where every other politician/media
> claims to represent the people and be working for them. Things won't
> that way in technology too.
>
> 2. Nicholas Negroponte is a man hungry of some position in history of
> business and humanity, both. He thinks increasing the sales of laptops
> is more important than the growing impact it is creating. Selling a
> qarter of a million of laptops is a success by any means for any
> profit-organization. I don't understand how it is not sufficient in
> case of a first-of-its-kind project by a non-profit organization.
>
> 3. Nicholas Negroponte doesn't care. Using Windows in XOs has many
> implications. Besides cost and the performance of the laptops, it
> means you are forcing a company's products on all children. Compare
> that to a government policy whereby it makes every school going
> children mandatory to wear dresses from a certain dress-designing
> company or study books from a certain publisher (eg. Ekta publishers).
> Thats why we have a government book publisher and curriculum designer
> in Nepal and government can't recommend any other books. I don't
> understand how someone can impose the monopoly of using a
> vendor-specific software on all kids. And why governments all over the
> world should abide by that.
>
> 4. The issue of "amorphic" development of XO as said by Negroponte is
> at best ridiculous. Having the best of the world's technology,
> engineers and money at MIT, it shocks me how he allowed a project of
> OLPC's scale fall at the hands of people who neither could have a good
> architect for the software or the capacity to develop them
> "morphically". Had he never heard of the term "software engineering"
> before? Why was the decision taken in first place?
>
> 5. What are all the people spread all over supposed to make of the
> recent developments? At the behest of a single man or a group of such
> men, should they be forced to change their working style, philosophy
> and way of seeing things?
>
> 6. I wish someone starts a fork of Sugar and everything OLPC. Why not
> Walter Bender? Start a fork. Or else the people at OLPC, if you have
> all the democracy and its powers, why don't you remove such people who
> are moving away from the OLPC's original principles? I just hope
> something of similar nature happens.
>
> If you agree with me, please forward this message to other mailing
> lists of OLPC where people are likely to respond to this issue.
>
> Cheers !
> Bibek
>
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 5:50 PM, sarose <sarose.joshi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  hey dude! your grandpa is great but you know my uncle Negroponte is
>>  fool nonsense because he now hate Linux.
>>
>>  About Ubuntu, i don't know how to pronounce it. Please teach me as
>>  well.
>>
>>  Try a survey with your friends or co-workers around.  The answer
>>  screams cries utterly. Don't forget to submit back to Uncle
>>  Negroponte.
>>
>>  On Apr 24, 4:12 pm, Zico <mailz... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:42 PM, sarose <sarose.jo... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > > yes its bad news and a good lesson for the gnome/kde that has not
> come
>>  > > up with user friendly UI till this date.
>>  >
>>  > You are very wrong, brother! Don`t you see the *blinking things* of
>>  > gnome/kde? And, how do you define "friendly user interface"? What more
> do
>>  > you expect from Gnome/KDE? Please point out, we will be really glad to
> hear
>>  > that.
>>  >
>>  > just stop saying linux is ready for desktop.
>>  >
>>  > Why should we do that??
>>  >
>>  > > neither its ready for my
>>  > > dad nor its ready for my little brother.
>>  >
>>  > I don`t know about your dad or younger brother, but Ubuntu is ready 
>> for
> my
>>  > grandfather. Now, i am teaching my grandmother to use computer ( in 
>> one
>>  > word, Ubuntu ).
>>  >
>>  > all its ready
>>  >
>>  > > for is server only.
>>  >
>>  > Very wrong.
>>  > By the way, which distro do you use?
>>  >
>>  > --
>>  > Best,
>>  > Z
>>  >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Bibek Paudel.
> http://blog.bibekpaudel.com.np/
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> Prakhar Agarwal
> Technical Head - Library R&D Team
> 3rd Year
> B.Tech, IT
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