<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(7,55,99)">See the posting below with inline suggestions. The posting was to the IAEP mailing list for the general Sugar audience. I've copied the discussion here to the SoaS list for technical followup. Perhaps we could interest some Google Code-In or GSOC applicants to innovate on the installation issues.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Tony Anderson</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span><br>Date: Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 12:18 AM<br>Subject: Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 107, Issue 15<br>To: <a href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br><br><br>
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Consider an potential adopter who wants to try out Sugar. As Caryl
knows from Scale, an adopter wants to know:<br>
<br>
1 - What are the capabilities of Sugar, what are its strengths, who
is using it, are there success stories, testimonials from users?<br>
2 - How is it supported? If I were to deploy it and needed help, is
it available?<br>
3 - How can I install it on my PC to try it out?<br>
<br>
Going to the Sugarlabs website, the first screen features:
Activities, Wiki, Social Help. The next statement describes Sugar as
a collection of tools.<br>
Being persistent, if you scroll down several screens, you get to a
block: Get Sugar featuring SOAS and Gnu/Linux.<br>
<br>
For Sugar on a Stick, I am directed to another page. It starts out
well - how to make a stick with Windows (but 7). The instructions
say to download 650MB and burn a CD. At this point the instructions
become incoherent. They say to mount a 2GB or more stick and then
boot from the CD and start running Sugar from it using the Terminal
activity and su.<br>
<br>
Then I am told that a change in Fedora 24 (the adopter is saying
'what's that?') requires the use of the command:<br>
<br>
<code>sudo dnf install livecd-tools<br>
</code><br>
No potential adopter would persist even to this point.</div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(7,55,99)">>> We should go back to including the livecd-tools package in SoaS and we should also copy the livecd-iso-to-disk script to the /LiveOS/ folder as was previously standard in Fedora, because installing SoaS with persistent storage is essential for the project goal of having a resumable Sugar environment in your pocket.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(7,55,99)">This is something Peter Robinson, our SoaS packager, can accomplish or advise us on.</div><br>
The other panel claims Sugar is available on most Gnu/Linux
distributions. The accompanying instructions from the links on this
panel are even more intimidating and provide evidence of lack of
support for Sugar.<br>
<br>
In fact, I believe that Ubuntu 16.04 enables yum install of Sugar
0.110. This should be featured.<br>
<br>
Like Pixel, I would like to see a current Sugar image available for
download which can be transferred to a usb stick by a single dd
command. This stick would operate as SOAS but also support
installation in an available block of hard drive on any amd_64
machine. </div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(7,55,99);display:inline">>> This is currently available, but not featured in our instructions as such an installation lacks persistence of user/learner Activities between boots. However, it is the easiest way to demonstrate a live SoaS system. Instructions should be updated.</div></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">A second image ideally would be installable as a Window
application with a supported Windows installer (like wubi did).
Finally, there should be a Debian image which can be copied to an SD
card and booted by a Raspberry Pi 3 (and possibly 2). <br>
<br>
Finally, our hypothetical adopter should find this 'get Sugar'
information on the main screen, not down six screens. <br>
<br>
Tony<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" style="font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-cite-prefix">On 02/15/2017 11:20 PM, <a class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep-request@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">iaep-request@lists.sugarlabs.<wbr>org</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap">Message: 3
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:15:05 +0000
From: Caryl Bigenho <a class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><cbigenho@hotmail.com></a>
To: Bert Freudenberg <a class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de" target="_blank"><bert@freudenbergs.de></a>
Cc: IAEP SugarLabs <a class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org></a>
Subject: Re: [IAEP] pixel
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+1 for Tony's comment!
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 15, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Bert Freudenberg <<a class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de" target="_blank">bert@freudenbergs.de</a><a class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de" target="_blank"><mailto:<wbr>bert@freudenbergs.de></a>> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:35 AM, Tony Anderson <<a class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a><a class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"><mailto:<wbr>tony_anderson@usa.net></a>> wrote:
This is what I hoped Sugarlabs would do:
<a class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://opensource.com/article/17/1/try-raspberry-pis-pixel-os-your-pc" target="_blank">https://opensource.com/<wbr>article/17/1/try-raspberry-<wbr>pis-pixel-os-your-pc</a>
Tony
Isn't that exactly what SoaS does?
<a class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/<wbr>Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation</a>
- Bert -</pre></blockquote><span style="white-space:pre-wrap;font-size:12.8px">_____________________________</span><wbr style="white-space:pre-wrap;font-size:12.8px"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap;font-size:12.8px">_________________</span><br></div><span style="font-size:12.8px">IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" style="font-size:12.8px">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-cite-prefix"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(7,55,99);display:inline"><a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/<wbr>listinfo/iaep</a></div></div><div class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-cite-prefix"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(7,55,99);display:inline"><br></div></div><div class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-cite-prefix"><br></div><div class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-cite-prefix"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(7,55,99);display:inline">For those interested alleviating these frustrations, the following links to previous efforts provide some background:</div></div><div class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-cite-prefix"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(7,55,99);display:inline"><br></div></div><div class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-cite-prefix"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(7,55,99);display:inline"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(7,55,99)"><a href="goog_127419843">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Resources</a></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-cite-prefix"><a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Goals">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Goals</a></div><div class="gmail-m_-7014812632134641291moz-cite-prefix"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(7,55,99)"></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#073763" face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO</a></font><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"> --Fred</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><br></div></div></div></div>