I'd like to call it a Software Sandbox instead of Virtualization, or emulation, having had one 64 bit machine with Virtualization support in the CPU and many more that didn't... (I've still got PowerPCs too, lost my Heathkit 8088 ETA electronics trainer and composite b&w monitor </nostalgia> ) What machines are teachers using? Are the schools locking them down, in Windows only environments? do they have Admin rights? The teachers (community college I've seen recently) don't have much of a choice, nor do the students, in what software OS they use. Blackboard instead of Moodle, school pages say Adobe instead of generic PDF, but there are Apple iPads and a policy of Mobile (thinking the percentage of Blackberries is higher than Windows, and Android probably about equal to both combined, but too lazy to look it up, I'm not marketing <sigh> Or are teachers adding to the numerous activities they have to do at home? with home machines? or donated machines that they can put sugar on and give away, say the old machines as a lab upgrades? or do kids tell other kids, and support burning a disk / stick for sharing with other kids? Having bounced around the OLPC.tv this early AM, I look forward to going to Walmart for a Sugar Android/GNU Linux tablet this spring, and trying downloading alphas and betas on existing tablets well before that <grin> Who do I bug/ nag about that? --- odd nonstandard keyboard so who knows what I intended to type... <div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 3, 2013 9:40 AM, "Thomas Gilliard" <<a href="mailto:satellit@bendbroadband.com">satellit@bendbroadband.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> There are quite a few tutorials on the wiki already [1] These consist of narrated screenshots, and are receiving many hits. 2 of the *Windows Install tutorials were written during Google_Code-In_2012 [4] I think this solution for duplicating multiple USB Sugar USB sticks (with persistence) [2][3] Is a workable solution.(I did this at Walter's request for a persistent sugar USB stick.) Tom Gilliard satellit [1] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Tutorials" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Tutorials</a> [2] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials/Installation/How_to_make_a_SoaS.img_file_for_repeated_installs_to_4_GB_USB%27s" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials/Installation/How_to_make_a_SoaS.img_file_for_repeated_installs_to_4_GB_USB%27s</a> [3] Prebuilt .img files for 2 GB and 4 GB USB sticks: <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials/Installation/How_to_make_a_SoaS.img_file_for_repeated_installs_to_4_GB_USB%27s#Alternative:_Download_a_prebuilt_USB.img" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials/Installation/How_to_make_a_SoaS.img_file_for_repeated_installs_to_4_GB_USB%27s#Alternative:_Download_a_prebuilt_USB.img</a> [4] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code-In_2012/GCI2012_followup" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code-In_2012/GCI2012_followup</a> On 02/03/2013 05:29 AM, Sean DALY wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> It's clear that anything other than pre-installed raises a barrier most teachers don't want to deal with. However, getting Sugar referenced with an OEM is far easier said than done. And Apple is not particularly motivated to encourage others to boot non-Apple OSes on their hardware. In the meantime, we have to make the difficult as simple as possible. This includes installers and documentation including videos. I don't want to underestimate teachers' motivation to find software for their students, either. I have found that Sugar's unbeatable price and nonprofit orientation are consistently appreciated by teachers. Sean On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM, DancesWithCars <<a href="mailto:danceswithcars@gmail.com" target="_blank">danceswithcars@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> do you all think installing a VM is easier than making a LiveCD, or SOAS and rebooting? Most Macs these days are Intel, it's the hardware compatibility to get something to boot from BIOS, and other issues, AFAICT... Of the kids and adults I've talked to, over the years (realizing most people here have more experience) they don't bother unless an XO-1.x or better is put before them... They fall in love with the hardware, the cuteness factor, and if it's on a regular machine (even the RPi I've tried a few on), it's a no go, generally... Not that it's not worth having, jhbuild, sweets, VMs, etc are all good, but most non technical people won't try it, AFAICT... --- odd nonstandard keyboard so who knows what I intended to type... On Feb 3, 2013 7:21 AM, "Thomas Gilliard" <<a href="mailto:satellit@bendbroadband.com" target="_blank">satellit@bendbroadband.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Sean; I just did a cleanup of the wiki pages covering Virtual Box and Importable appliances deleted a lot of obsolete information and their links [5] I updated: Downloads [1] [2]; Fedora_18 [3]; and Sugar_on_a_Stick [4] wiki pages Tom Gilliard satellit on #sugar freenode IRC [1] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads#Virtual_Machines_on_all_platforms" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads#Virtual_Machines_on_all_platforms</a> Links to Virtual Box Appliances : [2] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/VirtualBox" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/VirtualBox</a> Links to Soas-v8: [3] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_18#Sugar_on_a_Stick_v8_.CA.BB.C5.8Chelo_.CA.BBai" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_18#Sugar_on_a_Stick_v8_.CA.BB.C5.8Chelo_.CA.BBai</a> [4] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick</a> This page is still not updated, you have to scroll down to find SoaS-v8 [5] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:RecentChanges" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:RecentChanges</a> On 02/02/2013 04:14 PM, Sean DALY wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> For the past couple of years, our homepage has linked the Sugar on a Stick (SoaS) badge to the SoaS page [1] and the "download" menu item and "Try it with a child today" link to the Downloads page [2]. The downloads page rightly in my view orients visitors by platform, but the two largest market share desktop/laptop OSes (Windows & MacOS, 96% or so of market) only give instructions for Sugar on a Stick and the "Do you use a virtual machine?" link misses the excellent VMs available (in particular the VMs of... SoaS!). I think teachers will self-classify by OS and virtually none of them will self-classify as virtual machine users. Teachers will also expect pancake button 1-click installers (this was confirmed by Sloan Marketlab study), problematic with SoaS due to necessary USB stick manipulation and still a bit hairy on a Mac. I think Windows section and Mac section should both propose choice of SoaS and using VirtualBox with a SoaS VM, explaining benefits of each method in layman's terms. VMs are far less disruptive for trying Sugar, as a teacher can download to hard disk, install and run, keeping usual apps going (mail, browser, word processing) while experiencing Sugar. The downside is of course massive files to download, but that could be mitigated with torrents and/or mirrors. Comment please before we get into wiki editing of this crucial page thanks Sean [1] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick</a> [2] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DocumentationTeam/Try_Sugar" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DocumentationTeam/Try_Sugar</a> </blockquote> _______________________________________________ SoaS mailing list <a href="mailto:SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas</a> </blockquote></blockquote> _______________________________________________ Marketing mailing list <a href="mailto:Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing</a> </blockquote> </blockquote></div>