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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Peter,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>My feelings exactly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As regards Csound, most of our listservs are users;
developers are relatively few and tend to communicate largely among
themselves.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Though I also am a member of csound-dev, I was
unaware of the old/new parser status. I knew the new parser was (and has been
long) "under development". I'd no idea how or if it was incorporated into
Csound5.13.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Only a few folk (not including myself) actually
build Csound - mostly Linux people (again, not me). I just installed Windows
Csound(5.13) this evening for the first time - to discover that it was built
with default old parser. News to me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>There's much discussion of Csound lists about how
documentation and user materials are subpar - especially for newbees. This makes
it overly difficult for Csound to attract new users.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>At any rate, thanks again for all you do. And I'm
always here to test.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Art Hunkins</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=pbrobinson@gmail.com href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com">Peter
Robinson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=abhunkin@uncg.edu
href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">Art Hunkins</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</A>
; <A title=soas@lists.sugarlabs.org
href="mailto:soas@lists.sugarlabs.org">Development of live Sugar
distributions</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 13, 2011 7:13 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fedora 15 SoaS release and
Csound5</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Art,<BR><BR>It seems I did get the mail but some how missed
it.<BR><BR>Sigh! How so typical of CSound to make the new parser the default
even though they themselves don't recommend it, nor do they really even
document it anywhere! GRR!<BR><BR>I'll have a look at the build and see what
else it will affect, csound isn't just there for Sugar.<BR><BR>Peter<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Art Hunkins <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Peter -<BR><BR>Did you ever receive the messages collated
below? (They largely occurred on the csound-dev list.)<BR><BR>Are the
questions you mentioned (ones that were never answered) the ones addressed
here?<BR><BR>If not, please send them again. To my knowledge, the simple
"Csound solution" is running scons with the
option:<BR>buildRelease=1<BR><BR>But maybe I completely
misunderstand.<BR><BR>Art Hunkins<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- From:
"Art Hunkins" <<A href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu"
target=_blank>abhunkin@uncg.edu</A>>
<DIV class=im><BR>To: <<A href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org"
target=_blank>sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</A>><BR></DIV>Sent:
Wednesday, June 08, 2011 9:59 AM
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<DIV class=h5><BR>Subject: Re: Fedora 15 SoaS release and
Csound5<BR><BR><BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Peter:<BR><BR>I presume you received the messages
immediately listed below, regarding a solution to the old/new Csound
parser issue ("build csound with the scons option
buildRelease=1").<BR><BR>If you sent questions either to this group,
or the Csound-developers list, I'm sorry; I didn't receive them. Are they
perhaps answered in the messages quoted below?<BR><BR>Also, as I wrote to
you a week or so ago, there are no current MIDI issues with Csound and
Sugar. (I had mistakenly thought there were earlier.)<BR><BR>I remain
eager to test a rebuilt Csound in the Fedora 15 SoaS context, to determine
if my activities are compatible - and look forward to your upcoming test
release.<BR><BR>Thanks again for all your work on behalf of things musical
within SoaS.<BR><BR>Art Hunkins<BR><BR>-------<BR>(Message to csound
development listserv)<BR><BR>Steve, Victor and Peter Robinson:<BR><BR>The
run-time (CsOptions) flag --old-parser makes my CSD's run flawlessly.
(Thanks for the suggestion/solution, Steve.)<BR><BR>I don't imagine my
CSD's are the only ones affected.<BR><BR>Peter, I'd strongly recommend
Victor's suggestion of incorporating the scons option buildRelease=1 into
the Csound build for Fedora 15. (For one thing, it would for the time
being not require changes to my Activities.)<BR><BR>Comments
anyone?<BR><BR>Art Hunkins<BR><BR> From: Victor
Lazzarini<BR> To: Developer discussions<BR> Sent: Wednesday,
June 01, 2011 4:42 PM<BR> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Fw: Csound -
CsOptions flag for old parser?<BR><BR><BR> That is a run-time option.
But if you build csound with the scons option buildRelease=1, the
old parser<BR> should be the default. This is the recommended (new
parser is no ready for big time
yet).<BR><BR><BR> Victor<BR><BR> On 1 Jun 2011, at 21:30, Peter
Robinson wrote:<BR><BR><BR> Hi Steve,<BR><BR> Is that a
compile or run time option? If the former what are the
implications?<BR><BR> Peter<BR><BR> On 1 Jun 2011 21:18,
"Steven Yi" <<A href="mailto:stevenyi@gmail.com"
target=_blank>stevenyi@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR> Dr Victor
Lazzarini<BR> Senior Lecturer<BR> Dept. of Music<BR> NUI
Maynooth Ireland<BR> tel.: +353 1 708 3545<BR> Victor dot
Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie<BR><BR><BR> ----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Robinson" <<A href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com"
target=_blank>pbrobinson@gmail.com</A>><BR>To: "Art Hunkins" <<A
href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu"
target=_blank>abhunkin@uncg.edu</A>><BR>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011
4:48 AM<BR>Subject: Re: Fedora 15 SoaS release and Csound5<BR><BR><BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Hi Art,<BR><BR>No idea. I replied to the email you
CC:ed me on and had no answers to<BR>my questions. I have a couple of
outstanding items I need to test and<BR>fix on SoaS and will put out a
test image in the next couple of days<BR>and you can test it and tell me
as you well no I have no ability to<BR>test midi on soas.<BR><BR>As a
side note please make sure you:<BR>1) Create a new email when sending
things and no hijack a completely<BR>irrelevant email.<BR>2) Send it to
the SoaS list. There is no need to send this directly to
me.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Peter<BR><BR>On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Art
Hunkins <<A href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu"
target=_blank>abhunkin@uncg.edu</A>> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Hello, Peter,<BR><BR>Is the Csound5 new/old parser
issue now solved for the upcoming Fedora 15<BR>SoaS release?<BR><BR>If
so, is there a testing .iso I could try - to see if my activities
are<BR>compatible with it?<BR><BR>Thanks -<BR><BR>Art
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