<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Bert Freudenberg wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:94C109C6-53A0-49BA-8143-9D041823DEE5@freudenbergs.de" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Thanks Sean. People sometimes forget that all this is written by volunteers in their spare time. E.g., I made the image-writer-mac.py script. Is it what a regular Mac user would want to use? Of course not. It does not have a graphical interface, and cannot be used from the Finder. But it's a lot easier and safer than having to manually figure out the necessary commands. I could program a graphical interface too, yes, but I don't really have time. I need to work to feed my family too. And the little spare time that's left I spend on Etoys. Because that requires some rather specific skills, whereas writing say an AppleScript GUI to copy SoaS could basically be done by *any* developer on a Mac. So here's a plan: find more Mac developers, tell them your problems ;) - Bert - On 09.04.2010, at 09:44, Sean DALY wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">These are all valid comments, but keep in mind the Sugar on a Stick team is quite small and needs help. Anyone who can help including with teacher-friendly documentation is invited to join the SoaS list. Thanks. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas</a> Sean On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:44 AM, Yamandu Ploskonka <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:yamaplos@bolinux.org"><yamaplos@bolinux.org></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">"Me too" postings are discouraged in good lists, but I myself feel so in agreement by what Gregg is pointing out to that I cannot but say, hear hear! What we have is too complicated, thus error prone and unfriendly, thus not really *usable* For Sugar or anything to revolutionize education it has to be really, really easy to get going On 04/08/2010 06:16 PM, Gregg Ambrosi wrote: This is just my opinion, but if the process cannot be performed reasonably simply by a large number of folks, including teachers (we want their input into the product no?), then it is too complicated. We need to offer simpler ways for user to run Sugar. Yes, everyone will point to Sugar on a Stick, however: 1. the documented CD creation process for Macs is not simple (use the Terminal? Come now...) 2. if someone only has one computer, this means they have ONLY sugar or ONLY their main OS. How do you evaluate/work with Sugar and make notes, or document something (egads - don't say write it on paper). Simple, easy to use VMs seem to me the way to go. However, those that are referenced in the various places are certainly not just - copy and play. I am running both VM player and Parallels and I have not found a download yet that 'just works'. </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> To address this I just built and exported a Virtualbox Appliance of soas-2-blueberry <blockquote type="cite">Get Sun Virtualbox: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads">http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads</a> Choose Version OSX, Windows, Linux Download these 3 files: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/soas-2-blueberry.mf">http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/soas-2-blueberry.mf</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/soas-2-blueberry.ovf">http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/soas-2-blueberry.ovf</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/soas-2-blueberry.vmdk">http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/soas-2-blueberry.vmdk</a> Start  Sun Virtualbox ( I used: Version 3.1.4 r57640 for export) Top Left Corner of window:<file><Import Appliance> <Choose> (to find 3 downloaded files you just downloaded ) select: soas-2-blueberry.ovf Appliance Import Settings Windoe appears: Correct line: "Guest OS Type" to OS:linux  Version:fedora (click on Other/unknown it is a  dropdown box) Agree to GPL license Import start sugar </blockquote> This is dead easy to run on almost OS's and is available free.  (You do need to accept sun's license to do download) * available in about 2+ hrs, uploading now Have fun Tom Gilliard satellit <blockquote cite="mid:94C109C6-53A0-49BA-8143-9D041823DEE5@freudenbergs.de" type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">We have to remember that not everyone that wants to help out (or would be great to have help out) are highly technical. That is supposedly the point of Sugar no - you don't need any technical ability? Food for thought. g On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:09 PM, James Cameron <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org"><quozl@laptop.org></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 09:55:34AM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Thanks for the info. I'm glad I asked. Now that leads to another question. If I wanted to skip the redundant download and open the image-writer-mac file in Terminal from the larger download Tom G. posted (Sugar-Creation-Kit-ver05.iso) how would I do that? I have copies of that download both on my desktop and burned on a DVD. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">Skipping it might not be worth the effort, since it is only a few kilobytes, and by downloading it again you'll get it placed in the folder that the instructions expect ... the folder called Downloads. However, to answer your question ... you would copy it to your Downloads directory, either by dragging it across between two Finder windows (one opened on the DVD, one opened on Downloads), or by figuring out the filesystem paths for each and typing a Terminal command similar to this: cp /Volumes/SugarDVD/image-writer-mac.py ~/Downloads/ (Since I don't have a copy of this DVD, and the method used to create it is manual and not automatically scripted, I can't determine what the filesystem path after the "cp" would be.) This command does the same as dragging the file between two Finder windows, but is more exact and reproducible. The end result should be that file image-writer-mac.py is in the Downloads folder. </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> _______________________________________________ SoaS mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org">SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas</a> </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>