<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Sean; As we discussed on #sugar-meeting today. <satellit__> SeanDaly: what do you think about a DVD.iso with ASLO archive so extra activities can be installed from it instead of off web? <SeanDaly> satellit__: i like that idea in fact a CD even better, coompatible with many older PCs and most Activities not large in Kbytes <satellit__> or a set of CD's to download from sunjammer <SeanDaly> also shouldn't be too difficult to automate a build like that, unless there's a difficulty i'm not seeing <satellit__> I do not know if I am able to do so.... I was thinking as a part of Creation Package <satellit__> especially for deployments w/o web access a "sneaker-net" <SeanDaly> I totally agree we can't assume connectivity, especially from within Sugar <SeanDaly> universities, like businesses have firewalls & filters * dirakx has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) <satellit__> It should just require an index an DL of xxx,xo files (or rpms) to CD then make .iso <satellit__> s/and <SeanDaly> unrealistic to assume first-time Sugar tryers will a) succeed in configuring networking, b) will understand steps to search for and obtain Activities <SeanDaly> CD or DVD will be ideal for that <satellit__> I am not sure how to proceed here ( I will experiment ) but maybe a summer of code project? <satellit__> *for someone else mor qualified <satellit__> s/more <SeanDaly> maybe we could ask Bernie for advice since would be a server-side thing? <satellit__> I guess so... I was thinking it should accompany sugar-creation-kit <SeanDaly> well, we could do one-off for kit and automate later if kit takes off <satellit__> great <satellit__> *also useful for University and school marketing, I would think Sebastian Dziallas wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:4BA53F9C.7080705@when.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Caryl Bigenho wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hi... This could result in having, at last, what I have been asking for for over a year now... a stable, easy to use version that I can encourage teachers and others to use. That would be wonderful! </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> We think so too :-) </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">The ideal version would: Be easy to make either a usb or live cd version for Linux (both Fedora and Ubuntu), Mac, and Windows operating systems... hopefully without the need for a boot helper or virtual box... something the average teacher or parent could create without too much trouble. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> </pre> </blockquote> I have just uploaded a CD.iso which has most of the .xo files from A.S.L.O This can be downloaded and burned to a CD Then be used to install new activities to a running SOAS Stick I used soas-3 20100319 that sebastian just created. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/3/soas-3-20100319.iso">http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/3/soas-3-20100319.iso</a> installed to a 2GB USB with liveusb-creator in f12 My test case: EeePC900 external usb-HP  External DVD/CD I loaded a burned copy of ASLO.iso   downloaded from:  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/ASLO.iso">http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/ASLO.iso</a> The CD showed up in the sugar frame AS A TEST: I Copied the Deducto.xo file to the soas clipboard and pasted it into the Journal. It works. Deducto started and ran just as if I had downloaded it. This may be a nice "sneaker-net" way to install activities for a Sugar-Creation-Kit and for 3rd world locations off the web Tom Gilliard satellit <blockquote cite="mid:4BA53F9C.7080705@when.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">We're currently working on making the instructions generally easier for v3 and are also trying to get the graphical LiveUSB Creator working on other distributions, so that everybody could use the same interface - without having trouble. Right now, the sticks should boot on most reasonably-modern computers running Windows or any variant of Linux. We can make sticks that boot on some Macs, but because of the different architecture, those sticks only work on Macs (if they work at all). The creation process for sticks to boot on Macs is also quite tricky and given the low success rate we've had, it's probably not worth recommending, other than marking it as "experimental". However, you can make the Windows/Linux sticks in any operating system - so it's "just" Mac stuff that doesn't work. We'd like to figure this out for future releases, but will need help from engineers who know about this kind of thing (and have Macs at home - we don't) - if you know anyone who'd like to help, that would be great. ;-) </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On April 24 I will have another chance to distribute SoaS to a fairly large group of teachers and parents at the LAUSD InfoTech event at the LA Convention Center. Is there any possibility that this will be able to happen in time? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> We'd be happy to create a custom remix for you - just tell us what Activities you'd like to have on it, and we can work on that together so you have the image a few days (or a week, or however long you need to burn media) in advance. In fact, we're happy to make a just-in-time custom demo remix (images for liveusb and/or livecd) for anyone who wants - with the understanding that these images are *demo* sticks, haven't been tested, and are *not* suitable for deployment. This is how we'd like to support folks going out to demo this at conferences and such - if you tell us the Activities you want and the date you'd like the image on, we'll spin it up the day before and you'll have the most recent code for all of the Activities on your image, instead of having to use 6-month-old code. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Caryl P.S. A live cd would be great because we could afford to make some in advance and hand them out at our booth (CUELA). </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> As Tim said, you can simply burn the .iso image onto a CD. So if we created such a remix, you could just burn it in time for the conference. Would that work for you? --Mel and Sebastian </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:19:00 +0100 > From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sebastian@when.com">sebastian@when.com</a> > To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:soas@lists.sugarlabs.org">soas@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > Subject: [SoaS] Sugar on a Stick Changing Engineering Direction > > Some of you may have overheard activity in #sugar-meeting today > discussing the upcoming beta freeze for SoaS, and the engineering > capacity we have to work on things for the upcoming release (in May, > since as a Fedora Spin we are tied to the Fedora release schedule). > > The short version is that we'd like to try something pretty drastic - > prior SoaS versions have included large numbers of Activities, which > weren't always maintained and didn't always work, so we propose shipping > a slimmed down version of SoaS with a small number of known-to-work > Activities with active upstream maintainers (that we'll have the > bandwidth to thoroughly test between now and May's release, and the > bandwidth to relay deployment feedback back up to) and creating > resources on how to find other excellent material at > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://activities.sugarlabs.org">http://activities.sugarlabs.org</a>. > > Here's a draft kickstart file of what a slimmed-down SoaS release might > look like. It includes a few core Activities that will help you get, > debug, and ask questions about more Activities (Browse, Log, and IRC), > as well as a few well-tested Activities with active upstreams that we > think tend to "demo well" for a variety of audiences and contexts > (young/adult audience, large/small audience, dev/user/teacher audience, > hands-on-lab/demo-on-projector audience, etc). > > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mainline/blobs/master/fedora-livecd-soas.ks">http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mainline/blobs/master/fedora-livecd-soas.ks</a> > > And here's the image it produces - we haven't had time to download and > test it yet, but are working on that right now, so you may beat us to > finding out whether it works or not. ;-) > > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/3/soas-3-20100319.iso">http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/3/soas-3-20100319.iso</a> > > In comparison, here's the old kickstart file with a large number of > Activities, and the image it produced - if you try it out, you'll find > that many of the Activities don't work, the quality of experience is > inconsistent, and... well, we hope you'll see why we'd like to narrow > the scope of this release's features to the amount of work we can > comfortably maintain. > > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/spin-kickstarts?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob;f=fedora-livecd-soas.ks">http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/spin-kickstarts?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob;f=fedora-livecd-soas.ks</a> > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/soas/soas-i386-20100318.17.iso">http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/soas/soas-i386-20100318.17.iso</a> > > The rationale behind this is as follows: > > 1. Our ultimate goal is to produce a rock-solid deployment image with a > wide variety of many Activities with active upstream maintainers, plus > resources to engage users with those upstream communities and with > communities of other learners. This was clarified in the earlier Sugar > on a Stick Mission Statement: > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-September/008322.html">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-September/008322.html</a> > > 2. Since we don't currently have the resources to do this, we think a > good intermediate step is to produce a rock-solid deployment image with > a SMALL variety of many Activities with active upstream maintainers, > plus resources to engage users with those upstream communities and with > communities of other learners. This sets the bar for both the quality of > the Activity and maintenance, and the level of interaction that Activity > upstreams can expect from users. > > 3. Saving a good number of known-to-be-awesome Activities for > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://activities.sugarlabs.org">http://activities.sugarlabs.org</a> and creating (kid-tested and > teacher-tested) resources on how to get stuff from ASLO sets a dynamic > of experimentation, trying-stuff-out, and user community engagement that > we want to see. > > We don't know if this is a good idea or not. We think so, and we don't > have much time to decide as Beta Freeze is this upcoming Tuesday, March > 23. Feedback? Questions? Comments? Firestorm? > > We'll be tinkering further on this over the weekend - we can do another > kickstart on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, so we have 3 drafts left to > figure this out with. Please join us (sdziallas & mchua on #sugar) and > ask questions if you have any, or join in and help if you have ideas on > how to improve this. > > Thanks! > > --Mel and Sebastian > > PS: We're going to ask more specific questions on the marketing and > activities lists about this in a moment, for those of you following > those sections of SL as well - and send a general iaep notification that > these conversation threads are going on. One second... > _______________________________________________ > SoaS mailing list > <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org">SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas</a> = _______________________________________________ SoaS mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org">SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________ SoaS mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org">SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas</a> </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>