[SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 02:00:11PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> > >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> > >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> > >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> > >
> > > They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
> > > directories.
> > >
> > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2
> >
> > Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's all right.
> >
> > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2
> >
> > Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!
> >
> > >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> > >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
> > >
> > > Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
> > > we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.
> > >
> > >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> > >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
> > >> sugar-presence-service!
> > >
> > > I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.
> >
> > They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
> > removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.
> >
> > >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> > >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
> > >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
> > >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> > >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> > >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
> > >> coffin for Sugar?
> > >
> > > Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code in pull
> > > requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the critical
> > > components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab for the
> > > organisation.
> >
> > Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?
>
> Following last year's release plan; a v0.113 around 9th September, and
> a v0.114 around 6th October.

What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than later.

> > > Your downstream transition plan can be one of;
> > >
> > > - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as both Python 2 and Python 3, so that
> > >   Python 3 activities can be packaged, and so that Python 2 packages
> > >   you have now need not be rushed into Python 3,
> >
> > We'll likely take this option and then drop the py2 once there's no
> > longer any dependencies.
> >
> > > - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as only Python 3, and make sure all your
> > >   Python 2 activity packages are either dropped or ported to Python 3.
> > >
> > >> Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
> > >> still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
> > >> to assist?
> > >
> > > I agree, downstreams need help, it's a big job to keep this
> > > maintained.
> >
> > Do let me know if you know of people that are interested, the more the
> > merrier and I'm happy to assist with Mentoring.
> >
> > Peter
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