[SoaS] [Marketing] links from homepage to Downloads page

[Sean DALY]

Alas, the "XO learning environment" Android tablets are not runnning Sugar
and were not even developed directly by OLPC, I understand the Android skin
was designed by Yves Béhar and OLPC has merely licensed their name and logo
to Sakar / Vivitar, see this thread for more information [1].

That said, there is interest among Sugar developers and the Oversight Board
to support Android. This is nontrivial for technical reasons, but there are
solutions possible.

The ITU estimates 1.1 billion mobile broadband devices as of June 2012 [2].
The majority of these are likely Android. If only a small percentage of
those are parents willing to loan their device to their child for learning
or playing, it's possible Sugar on Android could have major impact. A
garden industry is booming for kidproofing tools and learning environments
for Android, e.g. [3,4] and also see Mike Lee's links in thread cited above.

Sean.

1. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2013-January/003412.html
2. http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/ict/statistics/at_glance/KeyTelecom.html
3. http://www.famigo.com/sandbox
4. http://www.zoodles.com/en-US/home/marketing


On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 4:30 PM, DancesWithCars <danceswithcars at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'd like to call it a Software Sandbox
> instead of Virtualization,
> or emulation, having had one 64 bit machine
> with Virtualization support in the CPU
> and many more that didn't...
> (I've still got PowerPCs too,
> lost my Heathkit 8088 ETA electronics trainer
> and composite b&w monitor </nostalgia> )
>
> What machines are teachers using?
> Are the schools locking them down,
> in Windows only environments?
> do they have Admin rights?
>
> The teachers (community college I've
> seen recently) don't have much of a choice,
> nor do the students, in what software
> OS they use.  Blackboard instead of Moodle,
> school pages say Adobe instead of generic PDF,
> but there are Apple iPads and
> a policy of Mobile (thinking the percentage
> of Blackberries is higher than Windows,
> and Android probably about equal to
> both combined, but too lazy to look it up,
> I'm not marketing <sigh>
>
> Or are teachers adding to the numerous
> activities they have to do at home?
> with home machines?
>
> or donated machines that they can
> put sugar on and give away,
> say the old machines as a lab
> upgrades?
>
> or do kids tell other kids,
> and support burning a disk / stick for sharing
> with other kids?
>
> Having bounced around the OLPC.tv
> this early AM, I look forward to going to Walmart
> for a Sugar Android/GNU Linux tablet this spring,
> and trying downloading alphas and betas
> on existing tablets well before that <grin>
>
> Who do I bug/ nag about that?
>
> ---
> odd nonstandard keyboard so who knows what I intended to type...
> On Feb 3, 2013 9:40 AM, "Thomas Gilliard" <satellit at bendbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There are quite a few tutorials on the wiki already [1]
>> These consist of narrated screenshots, and are receiving many hits.
>>  2 of the *Windows Install tutorials were written during
>> Google_Code-In_2012 [4]
>>
>> I  think this solution for duplicating multiple USB Sugar USB sticks
>> (with persistence) [2][3] Is a workable solution.(I did this at Walter's
>> request for a persistent sugar USB stick.)
>>
>> Tom Gilliard
>> satellit
>>
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Sugar_Creation_Kit#Tutorials<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Tutorials>
>> [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Tutorials/Installation/How_to_**
>> make_a_SoaS.img_file_for_**repeated_installs_to_4_GB_USB%**27s<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials/Installation/How_to_make_a_SoaS.img_file_for_repeated_installs_to_4_GB_USB%27s>
>> [3] Prebuilt .img files for 2 GB and 4 GB USB sticks:
>>  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Tutorials/Installation/How_to_**
>> make_a_SoaS.img_file_for_**repeated_installs_to_4_GB_USB%**
>> 27s#Alternative:_Download_a_**prebuilt_USB.img<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials/Installation/How_to_make_a_SoaS.img_file_for_repeated_installs_to_4_GB_USB%27s#Alternative:_Download_a_prebuilt_USB.img>
>> [4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Google_Code-In_2012/GCI2012_**followup<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code-In_2012/GCI2012_followup>
>>
>> On 02/03/2013 05:29 AM, Sean DALY wrote:
>>
>>> It's clear that anything other than pre-installed raises a barrier
>>> most teachers don't want to deal with. However, getting Sugar
>>> referenced with an OEM is far easier said than done. And Apple is not
>>> particularly motivated to encourage others to boot non-Apple OSes on
>>> their hardware.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, we have to make the difficult as simple as possible.
>>> This includes installers and documentation including videos.
>>>
>>> I don't want to underestimate teachers' motivation to find software
>>> for their students, either. I have found that Sugar's unbeatable price
>>> and nonprofit orientation are consistently appreciated by teachers.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM, DancesWithCars <danceswithcars at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> do you all think installing a VM is easier than
>>>> making a LiveCD, or SOAS and rebooting?
>>>>
>>>> Most Macs these days are Intel,
>>>> it's the hardware compatibility to get something
>>>> to boot from BIOS, and other issues, AFAICT...
>>>>
>>>> Of the kids and adults I've talked to, over the years
>>>> (realizing most people here have more experience)
>>>> they don't bother unless an XO-1.x or better is put
>>>> before them...  They fall in love with the hardware,
>>>> the cuteness factor, and if it's on a regular machine
>>>> (even the RPi I've tried a few on), it's a no go,
>>>> generally...
>>>>
>>>> Not that it's not worth having, jhbuild, sweets, VMs, etc
>>>> are all good, but most non technical people won't
>>>> try it, AFAICT...
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> odd nonstandard keyboard so who knows what I intended to type...
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 3, 2013 7:21 AM, "Thomas Gilliard" <satellit at bendbroadband.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sean;
>>>>>
>>>>> I just did a cleanup of the wiki pages covering Virtual Box and
>>>>> Importable
>>>>> appliances
>>>>>   deleted a lot of obsolete information and their links [5]
>>>>>
>>>>> I updated:
>>>>>   Downloads [1] [2]; Fedora_18 [3]; and Sugar_on_a_Stick [4] wiki pages
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Gilliard
>>>>> satellit on #sugar freenode IRC
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Downloads#Virtual_Machines_on_**
>>>>> all_platforms<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads#Virtual_Machines_on_all_platforms>
>>>>>   Links to Virtual Box Appliances :
>>>>> [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Sugar_Creation_Kit/VirtualBox<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/VirtualBox>
>>>>>   Links to Soas-v8:
>>>>> [3]
>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Fedora_18#Sugar_on_a_Stick_v8_**
>>>>> .CA.BB.C5.8Chelo_.CA.BBai<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_18#Sugar_on_a_Stick_v8_.CA.BB.C5.8Chelo_.CA.BBai>
>>>>> [4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Sugar_on_a_Stick<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick>
>>>>>   This page is still not updated, you have to scroll down to find
>>>>> SoaS-v8
>>>>> [5] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Special:RecentChanges<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:RecentChanges>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/02/2013 04:14 PM, Sean DALY wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For the past couple of years, our homepage has linked the Sugar on a
>>>>>> Stick (SoaS) badge to the SoaS page [1] and the "download" menu item
>>>>>> and "Try it with a child today" link to the Downloads page [2].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The downloads page rightly in my view orients visitors by platform,
>>>>>> but the two largest market share desktop/laptop OSes (Windows & MacOS,
>>>>>> 96% or so of market) only give instructions for Sugar on a Stick and
>>>>>> the "Do you use a virtual machine?" link misses the excellent VMs
>>>>>> available (in particular the VMs of... SoaS!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think teachers will self-classify by OS and virtually none of them
>>>>>> will self-classify as virtual machine users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Teachers will also expect pancake button 1-click installers (this was
>>>>>> confirmed by Sloan Marketlab study), problematic with SoaS due to
>>>>>> necessary USB stick manipulation and still a bit hairy on a Mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think Windows section and Mac section should both propose choice of
>>>>>> SoaS and using VirtualBox with a SoaS VM, explaining benefits of each
>>>>>> method in layman's terms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VMs are far less disruptive for trying Sugar, as a teacher can
>>>>>> download to hard disk, install and run, keeping usual apps going
>>>>>> (mail, browser, word processing) while experiencing Sugar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The downside is of course massive files to download, but that could be
>>>>>> mitigated with torrents and/or mirrors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comment please before we get into wiki editing of this crucial page
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Sugar_on_a_Stick<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick>
>>>>>> [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**DocumentationTeam/Try_Sugar<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DocumentationTeam/Try_Sugar>
>>>>>>
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