[SoaS] Sugar on a Stick Changing Engineering Direction (Test results of a 2GB Live USB of soas-i386-20100319.17.iso)
Thomas C Gilliard
satellit at bendbroadband.com
Sat Mar 20 23:00:12 EDT 2010
Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
> Some of you may have overheard activity in #sugar-meeting today
> discussing the upcoming beta freeze for SoaS, and the engineering
> capacity we have to work on things for the upcoming release (in May,
> since as a Fedora Spin we are tied to the Fedora release schedule).
>
> The short version is that we'd like to try something pretty drastic -
> prior SoaS versions have included large numbers of Activities, which
> weren't always maintained and didn't always work, so we propose shipping
> a slimmed down version of SoaS with a small number of known-to-work
> Activities with active upstream maintainers (that we'll have the
> bandwidth to thoroughly test between now and May's release, and the
> bandwidth to relay deployment feedback back up to) and creating
> resources on how to find other excellent material at
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org.
>
> Here's a draft kickstart file of what a slimmed-down SoaS release might
> look like. It includes a few core Activities that will help you get,
> debug, and ask questions about more Activities (Browse, Log, and IRC),
> as well as a few well-tested Activities with active upstreams that we
> think tend to "demo well" for a variety of audiences and contexts
> (young/adult audience, large/small audience, dev/user/teacher audience,
> hands-on-lab/demo-on-projector audience, etc).
>
> http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mainline/blobs/master/fedora-livecd-soas.ks
>
> And here's the image it produces - we haven't had time to download and
> test it yet, but are working on that right now, so you may beat us to
> finding out whether it works or not. ;-)
>
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/3/soas-3-20100319.iso
>
03/20/2010
Sebastian:
I decided to make a 2 GB USB to test the current state of the soas
nightly compose .iso
This was to augment our discussions of mirabelle v2.5 on fedora 13
==Test of nightly compose soas-i386-20100319.17.iso==
Created in usb HD install of f12 with all updates using liveusb-creator
2GB USB Sandisk Micro (cheap at local discount store)
Control Panel:
Fedora release 13 (Rawide)
Control Panel Update done:
read 78-86
flipsticks 2-4
get IA Books 3-5
TA 83-84
NOTE: I could not test sharing as jabber.sugarlabs.org was down.
sugar terminal :
su -
rm _R of /usr/share/sugar/activities/IRC.activity ( all files and
directory)
* I knew from previous work this had to be done to make IRC work.
in Browse: activities Download IRC 5.xo
Test of activities
Activity Version Work/no work remarks
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
record 64 + pictures work on EeePC900
terminal 31 +
*speak 14 - hangs with pulse (no stop popup)
Visual match 21 +
Browse 114 +
Etoys 113 +
Calculate 30 +
*Typing Turtle 29 -
Finance 3 +
Log 23 +
Memorize 33 +
implode 9 +
Connect 22 +
Image Viewer 14 + opened picture I took with record
Chat 66 +
*write 68 - writes in top panel turns
panel white
Maze 6 - pop up failed to start
Infoslicer 6 +
Jukebox 18 +
Moon 10 +
PlayGo 5 +
Clock 5 + Talks
Physics 4 +
Pippy 34 +
Analyze 8 +
*TamTamMini 51 - popup wont start
*TamTamEdit 51 -
*TamTamSynthLab 52 -
*TamTamJam 52 -
Turtle Art 84 +
Get Ia Books 5 +
FlipSticks 4 +
Read 86 - opened but failed to open the
picture I took with record in journal
I hope this advances our discussions
Tom Gilliard
satellit
sorry for collumn alignment : )
FYI: I have attached a screen shot of Partition Manager looking at this
USB to show how full it is, and it's structure
> In comparison, here's the old kickstart file with a large number of
> Activities, and the image it produced - if you try it out, you'll find
> that many of the Activities don't work, the quality of experience is
> inconsistent, and... well, we hope you'll see why we'd like to narrow
> the scope of this release's features to the amount of work we can
> comfortably maintain.
>
> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/spin-kickstarts?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob;f=fedora-livecd-soas.ks
> http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/soas/soas-i386-20100318.17.iso
>
> The rationale behind this is as follows:
>
> 1. Our ultimate goal is to produce a rock-solid deployment image with a
> wide variety of many Activities with active upstream maintainers, plus
> resources to engage users with those upstream communities and with
> communities of other learners. This was clarified in the earlier Sugar
> on a Stick Mission Statement:
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-September/008322.html
>
> 2. Since we don't currently have the resources to do this, we think a
> good intermediate step is to produce a rock-solid deployment image with
> a SMALL variety of many Activities with active upstream maintainers,
> plus resources to engage users with those upstream communities and with
> communities of other learners. This sets the bar for both the quality of
> the Activity and maintenance, and the level of interaction that Activity
> upstreams can expect from users.
>
> 3. Saving a good number of known-to-be-awesome Activities for
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org and creating (kid-tested and
> teacher-tested) resources on how to get stuff from ASLO sets a dynamic
> of experimentation, trying-stuff-out, and user community engagement that
> we want to see.
>
> We don't know if this is a good idea or not. We think so, and we don't
> have much time to decide as Beta Freeze is this upcoming Tuesday, March
> 23. Feedback? Questions? Comments? Firestorm?
>
> We'll be tinkering further on this over the weekend - we can do another
> kickstart on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, so we have 3 drafts left to
> figure this out with. Please join us (sdziallas & mchua on #sugar) and
> ask questions if you have any, or join in and help if you have ideas on
> how to improve this.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --Mel and Sebastian
>
> PS: We're going to ask more specific questions on the marketing and
> activities lists about this in a moment, for those of you following
> those sections of SL as well - and send a general iaep notification that
> these conversation threads are going on. One second...
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