[SoaS] SoaS meeting minutes 2010-08-30

[mel at melchua.com]

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick_meetings/2010-08-30
Also on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick_meetings#Minutes

== Minutes ==

* No new topics from the mailing list to bring up at this meeting.
* Remix naming deferred until we have proposals as to how the remixes
should be named. (HELP NEEDED! Got an idea for this? Write a proposal!)
* Upcoming deadline: 9/14 Beta Change - all changes must be pushed by this
(Fedora-driven) deadline.
* Idea for the future: (re)schedule a SoaS Test Day with Fedora QA.

We spent most of our time on the next big URGENT milestone: getting
testable 0.90 SoaS image out the door for upstream Sugar QA. The 0.90 Beta
release is this Wednesday; here's what has to happen to make this happen.

# erikos updates the sugar, sugar-toolkit, sugar-datastore,
sugar-presence-service, sugar-artwork, telepathy-gabble and telepathy-salut
packages in Fedorato the correct code versions.
# mchua gets 3 people to test these packages and give them karma in
Fedora's system, which will put them in the stable repositories. I'll be
writing instructions on how to do this shortly.
# erikos or pbrobinson or someone takes the next daily build and makes
sure it boots, then announces the test image.

What this means for you, o reader: if you run Fedora (or can run Fedora in
a VM, or can follow written instructions on how to do exactly this), you
(yes, you!) can help us with 0.90 testing this week. We're going to have
instructions for this coming out once the code is ready to be tested; it
should take less than 2 hours (hopefully less than 1) to do your setup and
testing from start to finish, and you won't need any prior experience.
We'll be using the same test setup for Sugar in the future, too.

The catch is that because we're under intense time pressure to meet
release deadlines, the time between when we can say "we're ready! We need
help!" and when we need the testing finished by is going to be VERY short.
So this is a heads-up letting folks know this call is going to be coming.

== Logs ==

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19:01 < mchua> #startmeeting
19:01 < mchua> Hey folks. SoaS meeting time.
19:01 < mchua> Er... is there a bot?
19:01 < mchua> I'll mke sure logs go out, in any case.
19:02 < mchua> First, I should apologize I'll be high-latency today
becaues I'm on mobile broadband.
19:02 < mchua> #link
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Sugar_on_a_Stick_meetings#Agenda
19:02 < mchua> Anything to add?
19:02 < mchua> Otherwise this is going to be a very quick meeting, which
is no problem. :)
19:03 < erikos> mchua: hey
19:03 < erikos> mchua: i would like to talk about testing ;p
19:03 < mchua> erikos: Ok, will do.
19:03 < satellit_> +1
19:04 < mchua> #topic upcoming deadlines
19:04 < mchua> First, let me say that there are a lot of good ongoing
convos on the soas mailing list, which should continue there - I don't
think there's anything specific from that we need to bring up here today.
19:05 < mchua> In terms of actual deadlines, we're driven by the Fedora
release calendar. The next one coming up is the Beta Change deadline (all
changes will have to be pushed by this time. pending submissions are
insufficient.)
19:05 < mchua> This is 9/7 but I think it may have gotten pushed back a
week so we may have a littl emore time.
19:05  * mchua checking now
19:06 < mchua> Yes, it is on 9/14 now.
19:06 < mchua> #info Beta change deadline - all chnages must be pushed by
9/14
19:06 < erikos> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/14/Schedule
19:06 < mchua> changes, sorry.
19:06 < mchua> gah latency.
19:06 < mchua> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/14/Schedule
19:06 < mchua> thanks erikos!
19:06 -!- rgs [~rgs at 77.210.18.56] has joined #sugar-meeting
19:06 < mchua> #topic feature proposals
19:06 < mchua> #info skipping - feature freeze is past
19:06 < mchua> #topic QA
19:06 < mchua> erikos: go!
19:07 < erikos> mchua: a) we need a build to test on ;p
19:07 < erikos> mchua: i know that peter is working on it
19:07 < mchua> This is te last thing I'd like to tackle during this
meeting since we don't have any proposals for remix naming and I'd like to
have something to vote on for that before we actually bring it up.
19:07 < mchua> (for the record.)
19:07 < erikos> mchua: (latest snapshots are not loginable)
19:07 < mchua> erikos: noted.
19:07 < mchua> erikos: We should set a test day date so we have a
milestone to aim at - deadlines help.
19:08 < mchua> thoughts on when a good one would be?
19:08 < mchua> maybe shortly after beta chnage?
19:08 < mchua> The thursday after is 9/23
19:08 < erikos> mchua: yeah - deadlines do help indeed
19:08 < mchua> (wow, my typing is terrible today!)
19:08 < mchua> erikos: so, 9/23 is my arbitrary proposal. How this works
for anyone else, I do not know.
19:09 < mchua> but it would work for me and I could help prep and show up
there.
19:09 < satellit_> soas-i386-20100818.16.iso  
http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/test/  works  can we use it?
19:09 < erikos> mchua: soas - wise this sounds good
19:09 < erikos> mchua: for sugar 0.90 - this would be too late
19:09 < mchua> erikos: eeek. Okay, when is the deadline for that?
19:09 < erikos> mchua: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.90/Roadmap#Schedule
19:09 < mchua> right-o.
19:09 < erikos> mchua: actually, we would need heavy testing *now*
19:09 -!- bernie_afk is now known as bernie
19:10 < erikos> mchua: we will do our beta - on wednesday
19:10 < mchua> erikos: Yikes. Okay, so if we get an soas image that's
testable, are there people (tabs et al) waiting to attack and test that
build?
19:10 < mchua> whoa, wednesday. wow, the schedule totally snuck up on me
this time.
19:10  * mchua apologizes
19:10 < erikos> mchua: at least we can announce it
19:10 < erikos> mchua: and the feature owners should test etc
19:11 < mchua> Okay.
19:11 < mchua> Yeah.
19:11 < erikos> mchua: i pinged them today
19:11 < erikos> mchua: and i might get some more involved
19:11 < erikos> mchua: so we need a build
19:11 < erikos> mchua: that a) starts
19:11 < erikos> and b) has the latest packages
19:11 < mchua> Okay. Trying to figure out the best way to unblock you on
that.
19:11 < erikos> mchua: i work on it - that people update bodhi
19:12 < mchua> If it's a matter of karma, I can call for Fedora testers
and try to get it through that way.
19:12 < erikos> mchua: so the packages get from updates-testing in the
repo
19:12 < mchua> I'm not a packager myself so I can't do much more than
that, alas.
19:12 < erikos> mchua: sure, that is helpful, too
19:12 < mchua> erikos: do you have a list of packages you want updated?
19:12 < mchua> ("all the ones in the soas kickstart file" works)
19:13 < erikos> heh
19:13 < mchua> (although that's sort of terrifying)
19:13 < erikos> sugar, sugar-toolkit, sugar-datastore,
sugar-presence-service, sugar-artwork
19:13 < mchua> I'm flying mildly blind on this - not sure what you and
peter talked about - what I'm trying to get at atm is a checklist of to-do
items I can get people to help with
19:13 < erikos> and telepathy-gabble and telepathy-salut
19:13 < mchua> so it doesn't block on Peter, who is really hosed this week
apparently
19:14 < erikos> yeah, i can help as well building packages
19:14 < mchua> Okay, and all those packages should be updated to the
latest version... in the SL git, basically? The packages need to be updated
and pushed to updates-testing?
19:15 < erikos> once those are packaged (which is the easy part) they have
to be karmadized in bodhi
19:15 < erikos> to get them in the official repo
19:15  * mchua can easily send out a call-to-arms saying "packagers! this
is a list of packages that need to be in updates-testing at version X or
later by $urgent_date" and when those are updated it's a matter of just
making the .iso.
19:15 < erikos> we already failed here lately, even so i made a call on
that
19:15 < mchua> right-o. Karma I can call for.
19:15 < mchua> failed on karma-fu?
19:16 < erikos> well, if i am the only one... I have only one vote ;p
19:16 < satellit_> how do we solve non-booting problem?
19:16  * pbrobinson is here 
19:16 < pbrobinson> sorry I'm late
19:16 < mchua> Oh, okay. erikos, would this work - if you can get the
correct versions packaged, I can recruit people to test and add karma so we
can get them pushed to updates-testing. I think that wouldn't block on
anyone else.
19:16 < mchua> We'd just need to find 3 people who can spend an hour
installing stuff, that's all.
19:17 < mchua> erikos: wait, just one more person, because you can test
and I can test. woo!
19:17 < erikos> mchua: right
19:17 < erikos> mchua: tomeu might help, too
19:17 < mchua> Hey, pbrobinson. We desperately need a build to test 0.90
on
19:17 < mchua> erikos: ...if so, then I think we're taken care of
19:17 < mchua> erikos: if you get the packages in I can get them tested
19:17 < mchua> probably within 24 hours
19:18 < erikos> can we aim to have a build by the end of the week?
19:18 < mchua> pbrobinson: if the packages are in updates-testing, can you
pull the lever and make a build from it?
19:18 < erikos> mchua: one can install the rpms as well
19:19 < erikos> mchua: but for some testers this might already be a
blocker
19:19 < mchua> the The workflow I'm seeing right now is: (1) erikos
updates the sugar, sugar-toolkit, sugar-datastore, sugar-presence-service,
sugar-artwork, telepathy-gabble and telepathy-salut to the correct code
versions, (2) mchua gets 3 people to test and karma them so they get into
updates-testing, (3) pbrobinson makes final build
19:19 < erikos> (2) they get into updates-testing automatically - with
karma they go into the stable branch
19:20 < mchua> I can do (2) within 24 hours of when erikos sends the
"packages are all ready and need karma now!" email (erikos, if you can cc
mel at melchua.com on that I'll read it faster.)
19:20 < pbrobinson> mchua: we'd need to enable updates-testing in the .ks
which I don't think the spins wrangler would be happy with
19:20 < erikos> (3) the builds are done daily, so...
19:20 < mchua> erikos: d'oh. Right. s/updates/testing/stable, then.
19:20 < erikos> w only need to fix the login issue
19:20 < pbrobinson> they go straight to updates-testing. With appropriate
karma or a week in updates-testing they go to stable
19:20 < erikos> pbrobinson: i think we should go through the normal way
19:21 < mchua> Okay, then it's: (1) erikos updates the sugar,
sugar-toolkit, sugar-datastore, sugar-presence-service, sugar-artwork,
telepathy-gabble and telepathy-salut to the correct code versions, (2)
mchua gets 3 people to test and karma them so they get into stable, (3)
erikos or pbrobinson or someone takes the next daily build and makes sure
it boots, then announces the test image
19:21 < pbrobinson> erikos: agreed. Its easy to install them with the
enable repo option
19:21 < erikos> mchua: yup
19:22 < mchua> erikos: Okay. Are we unblocked then?
19:22 < pbrobinson> mchua: all the versions of sugar and telepathy are at
the latest versions I believe (i've just built the latest ones that have
hit sugar-devel)
19:22 < erikos> mchua: yes
19:22 < mchua> I'll draft the "plz can haz test" instructions in advance
of the packages being done so you don't even have to block on me to send
the call for help :)
19:22 < mchua> but I will test.
19:22 < erikos> pbrobinson: yeah- you are doing an excellent job! thanks
very much for that
19:23 < mchua> #action mchua draft howto test sugar packages in fedora,
send url to list and cc erikos
19:23 < erikos> mchua: excellent
19:23 -!- rgs [~rgs at 77.210.18.56] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
19:23 < pbrobinson> erikos: no issues, it generally gives me 5 mins away
from switches and SANs in the DC :-|
19:23 < mchua> Okay. So I'll just wait for erikos to say "all the packages
are done and ready for testing+karma!" and then go forth and test and get
my testing done.
19:24 < mchua> I'll watch soas, sugar-devel, and my personal (mel at melchua)
inbox for the announce.
19:24 < mchua> and after that we can think again about a possible test day
later on.
19:24 < mchua> since this is the urget stuff.
19:24 < mchua> er, urgent.
19:24 < mchua> erikos: how's that? :)
19:24 < erikos> mchua: ok, will send pings
19:24 < mchua> yay!
19:24 < erikos> mchua: :)
19:24 < mchua> erikos: anything else?
19:25 < erikos> pbrobinson: yeah, it can be refreshing
19:25  * mchua is racing her laptop battery - 13min
19:25 < erikos> mchua: :)
19:25 < erikos> mchua: let's focus on that - then we can take care of
testing instructions
19:25 < mchua> Coolness.
19:25 < mchua> #chair pbrobinson 
19:25 < mchua> Any other business?
19:26 < mchua> Then let's wrap and get to it. :)
19:26 < mchua> thanks folks!
19:26 < mchua> #ndmeeting
19:26 < mchua> #endmeeting
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