[SoaS] [support-gang] [IAEP] SoaS Good News/Bad News (3 ovf files you can Import into Virtualbox that works on almost all OS's( including intel macs)

[Thomas C Gilliard]

Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> Thanks Sean. People sometimes forget that all this is written by volunteers in their spare time. E.g., I made the image-writer-mac.py script. Is it what a regular Mac user would want to use? Of course not. It does not have a graphical interface, and cannot be used from the Finder. But it's a lot easier and safer than having to manually figure out the necessary commands.  I could program a graphical interface too, yes, but I don't really have time. I need to work to feed my family too. And the little spare time that's left I spend on Etoys. Because that requires some rather specific skills, whereas writing say an AppleScript GUI to copy SoaS could basically be done by *any* developer on a Mac.
>
> So here's a plan: find more Mac developers, tell them your problems ;)
>
> - Bert -
>
> On 09.04.2010, at 09:44, Sean DALY wrote:
>   
>> These are all valid comments, but keep in mind the Sugar on a Stick
>> team is quite small and needs help. Anyone who can help including with
>> teacher-friendly documentation is invited to join the SoaS list.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:44 AM, Yamandu Ploskonka <yamaplos at bolinux.org> wrote:
>>     
>>> "Me too" postings are discouraged in good lists, but I myself feel so in
>>> agreement by what Gregg is pointing out to that I cannot but say, hear
>>> hear!
>>>
>>> What we have is too complicated, thus error prone and unfriendly, thus not
>>> really *usable*
>>>
>>> For Sugar or anything to revolutionize education it has to be really, really
>>> easy to get going
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/08/2010 06:16 PM, Gregg Ambrosi wrote:
>>>
>>> This is just my opinion, but if the process cannot be performed reasonably
>>> simply by a large number of folks, including teachers (we want their input
>>> into the product no?), then it is too complicated. We need to offer simpler
>>> ways for user to run Sugar. Yes, everyone will point to Sugar on a Stick,
>>> however:
>>>
>>> 1. the documented CD creation process for Macs is not simple (use the
>>> Terminal?  Come now...)
>>> 2. if someone only has one computer, this means they have ONLY sugar or ONLY
>>> their main OS. How do you evaluate/work with Sugar and make notes, or
>>> document something (egads - don't say write it on paper).
>>>
>>> Simple, easy to use VMs seem to me the way to go. However, those that are
>>> referenced in the various places are certainly not just - copy and play. I
>>> am running both VM player and Parallels and I have not found a download yet
>>> that 'just works'. 
To address this I just built and exported a Virtualbox Appliance of 
soas-2-blueberry

> Get Sun Virtualbox:
> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
> Choose Version
> OSX, Windows, Linux
>
> Download these 3 files:
>
> http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/soas-2-blueberry.mf
> http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/soas-2-blueberry.ovf
> http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/soas-2-blueberry.vmdk
>
> Start  Sun Virtualbox ( I used: Version 3.1.4 r57640 for export)
> Top Left Corner of window:<file><Import Appliance>
>
> <Choose> (to find 3 downloaded files you just downloaded )
>
> select: soas-2-blueberry.ovf
> Appliance Import Settings Windoe appears:
> Correct line: "Guest OS Type" to OS:linux  Version:fedora (click on 
> Other/unknown it is a  dropdown box)
> Agree to GPL license
> Import
> start sugar
This is dead easy to run on almost OS's and is available free.
 (You do need to accept sun's license to do download)

* available in about 2+ hrs, uploading now

Have fun

Tom Gilliard
satellit
>>> We have to remember that not everyone that wants to help
>>> out (or would be great to have help out) are highly technical. That is
>>> supposedly the point of Sugar no - you don't need any technical ability?
>>>
>>> Food for thought.
>>>
>>> g
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:09 PM, James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 09:55:34AM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Thanks for the info. I'm glad I asked.  Now that leads to another
>>>>> question.  If I wanted to skip the redundant download and open the
>>>>> image-writer-mac file in Terminal from the larger download Tom G.
>>>>> posted (Sugar-Creation-Kit-ver05.iso) how would I do that?  I have
>>>>> copies of that download both on my desktop and burned on a DVD.
>>>>>           
>>>> Skipping it might not be worth the effort, since it is only a few
>>>> kilobytes, and by downloading it again you'll get it placed in the
>>>> folder that the instructions expect ... the folder called Downloads.
>>>>
>>>> However, to answer your question ... you would copy it to your Downloads
>>>> directory, either by dragging it across between two Finder windows (one
>>>> opened on the DVD, one opened on Downloads), or by figuring out the
>>>> filesystem paths for each and typing a Terminal command similar to this:
>>>>
>>>>        cp /Volumes/SugarDVD/image-writer-mac.py ~/Downloads/
>>>>
>>>> (Since I don't have a copy of this DVD, and the method used to create it
>>>> is manual and not automatically scripted, I can't determine what the
>>>> filesystem path after the "cp" would be.)  This command does the same as
>>>> dragging the file between two Finder windows, but is more exact and
>>>> reproducible.  The end result should be that file image-writer-mac.py is
>>>> in the Downloads folder.
>>>>         
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