[SoaS] [Marketing] installation fear, was Re: Governance & Trademark in the Wiki

[Carlo Falciola]

In Windows they get ordered numbering depending on order of insertion, so now my trick is to insure to insert my SOAS Stick first, sometimes I would like to try to define a VM with several VD in order to check if is only the very first bootable one find to be selected for boot...

ciao 
carlo (f)
 

--- Mar 20/10/09, Dave Bauer <dave.bauer at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Da: Dave Bauer <dave.bauer at gmail.com>
> Oggetto: Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] installation fear, was Re: Governance &  Trademark in the Wiki
> A: "Carlo Falciola" <cfalciola at yahoo.it>
> Cc: marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org, soas at lists.sugarlabs.org
> Data: Martedì 20 ottobre 2009, 14:13
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:59 AM,
> Carlo Falciola <cfalciola at yahoo.it>
> wrote:
> > I based my  VM tests on these instructions:
> >
> > http://agnipulse.com/2009/07/boot-your-usb-drive-in-virtualbox/
> >
> > with Strawberry you can let it plain boot, and it goes
> fine,( maybe it's better you first boot a newly created
> stick the normal way for the first time... )
> > I think this feature of VB is not available on mac
> now...
> >
> 
> Interesting. This requires you predict what /dev/sdX device
> the USB
> will get. For a semi-permenantly attached USB hard drive or
> for
> someone who is used to this sort of thing, it seems pretty
> neat.
> Thanks.
> 
> Dave
> 
> > ciao carlo (F)
> >
> >
> > --- Mar 20/10/09, Dave Bauer <dave.bauer at gmail.com>
> ha scritto:
> >
> >> Da: Dave Bauer <dave.bauer at gmail.com>
> >> Oggetto: Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] installation fear,
> was Re: Governance &  Trademark in the Wiki
> >> A: "Carlo Falciola" <cfalciola at yahoo.it>
> >> Cc: marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org,
> soas at lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> Data: Martedì 20 ottobre 2009, 12:54
> >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:48 AM,
> >> Carlo Falciola <cfalciola at yahoo.it>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Sean, Martin,
> >> > Recently I started playing with VirtualBox in
> order to
> >> get a "standard" SOAS usb bootable key to boot
> into an
> >> "empty" VM in VirtualBox.
> >> > This is different from a livecd in sense you
> get
> >> persisten updates and your stik could always be
> booted in
> >> other systems...
> >> >  VirtualBox supports, at least in Linux
> & Windows
> >> the feature to define virtual bootable disk that
> belongs to
> >> a USB stick.
> >> >
> >> > So now I've a generic VM that when started by
> VB look
> >> for an USB Bootable Stick attached to a running
> windows
> >> machine and start it
> >> > Till' now it works for me with Strawberry
> & the
> >> latest Soas2.iso.
> >> >
> >> > I actually followed  instructions I found on
> the web
> >> (there shoud be a message to sugar-devel list
> about it)
> >> >
> >> > The solution is definitely not ready for
> primetime,
> >> and should be  tested a lot, but right now is it
> possible
> >> to:
> >> > 1. Manually install VirtualBox
> >> > 2. Get the VirtualMachine (containing the
> "special
> >> Virtual Disk")
> >> > 3. Stich the Strawberry in the running host
> >>
> >> Can you describe this step in some more detail?
> >> Right now as I understand it, on Linux and Windows
> Hosts
> >> you can hit
> >> F12 (if you are very fast) to open the boot menu
> or also
> >> quickly open
> >> the USB menu at the bottom of the screen and
> activate the
> >> selected USB
> >> device. You can't boot from USB on OS X for some
> reason so
> >> I have
> >> created a boothelper VM which looks for a USB
> stick named
> >> Fedora. On
> >> OS X I have been able to automate this to umount
> the USB
> >> from the host
> >> OS, and attach it to the running VM so the use
> potentially
> >> just has to
> >> plug in the stick and make one click on an
> application
> >> icon.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> > 4. start the VM
> >> > 5. Enjoy your Sugar Stick (with persistent
> storage in
> >> the stick, networks, (dunno about audio, but it
> should work
> >> either)!
> >> >
> >> >  I think some of those steps could be
> simplyfied...
> >> >
> >> >  Latest note : I'm not shure that a
> "Portable"
> >> VirtualBox it's  doable because VB creates
> virtual net
> >> interface I'm not shure that ccould be done on the
> fly.
> >> >
> >> > Could this approach helps?
> >> >
> >> > ciao
> >> >
> >> > carlo (f)
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Douglas
> McClendon
> >> > <dmc.sugar at filteredperception.org>
> wrote:
> >> >> Sean DALY wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> You've mentioned how the website
> could be
> >> improved - the "fine print".
> >> >>> When you look at the Sugar on a Stick
> page,
> >> what do you think it could
> >> >>> express better to guide inexperienced
> users?
> >> The single biggest
> >> >>> barrier we face is installation fear
> - this is
> >> how Windows keeps its
> >> >>> marketshare (with help from
> proprietary file
> >> formats), and why
> >> >>> GNU/Linux desktops have so much
> difficulty
> >> breaking out. Sugar on a
> >> >>> Stick sidesteps the problem by not
> touching
> >> the hard disk, but does
> >> >>> indeed require system-specific BIOS
> fiddling.
> >> >>
> >> >> In response to this, and DancesWithCars
> autorun
> >> html point, I can see
> >> >> possible progress in this direction-
> >> >>
> >> >> a) autorun html.  Simple to add
> technically.
> >>  I'd opt for pure open
> >> >> source but possibly less compatable
> simple autorun
> >> technique, as opposed
> >> >> to using the various less-free and often
> closed
> >> source autorun helpers.
> >> >>
> >> >> b) the content of the html to be
> autoran-
> >> obviously the sky is the
> >> >> limit, and something marketing is
> particularly
> >> suited for.  To the
> >> >> extent that technical information should
> be
> >> contained, there is the
> >> >> LiveDistro wikipedia page, which would
> be
> >> included, as well as a layer
> >> >> above it translated/shrunk into a
> quickstart
> >> version targeted at average
> >> >> parents/teachers.
> >> >>
> >> >> c) other low hanging fruit windows FOSS.
>  Firefox
> >> seems worth it if
> >> >> you've got the space.  But more
> importantly qemu,
> >> or whatever the best
> >> >> open source windows virtualization
> solution is
> >> (qemu/virtualbox/?).
> >> >> I.e. the webpage should include simple
> >> instructions for launching that
> >> >> virtualizaiton targeted at the CD/USB
> that
> >> contains it.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >>Virtualbox could allow a pretty good
> in-Windows
> >> experience. With
> >> >>seamless mode it runs in an OS window. We
> can
> >> automate the startup so
> >> >>a Sugar appliance starts up with  one
> click. The
> >> trick is getting
> >> >>permission to bundle an  installer with
> virtualbox
> >> and the sugar
> >> >>appliance. I think one would have to ask
> Sun for
> >> permission to do
> >> >>this.
> >> >>
> >> >>You could do this also with OS X and Linux
> although
> >> each needs a
> >> >>seperate installer.
> >> >>
> >> >>Dave
> >> >>
> >> >>--
> >> >>Dave Bauer
> >> >>dave at solutiongrove.com
> >> >>http://www.solutiongrove.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> 
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