[SoaS] [Marketing] installation fear, was Re: Governance & Trademark in the Wiki

[Carlo Falciola]

I based my  VM tests on these instructions:

http://agnipulse.com/2009/07/boot-your-usb-drive-in-virtualbox/ 

with Strawberry you can let it plain boot, and it goes fine,( maybe it's better you first boot a newly created stick the normal way for the first time... )
I think this feature of VB is not available on mac now...

ciao carlo (F)


--- Mar 20/10/09, Dave Bauer <dave.bauer at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Da: Dave Bauer <dave.bauer at gmail.com>
> Oggetto: Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] installation fear, was Re: Governance &  Trademark in the Wiki
> A: "Carlo Falciola" <cfalciola at yahoo.it>
> Cc: marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org, soas at lists.sugarlabs.org
> Data: Martedì 20 ottobre 2009, 12:54
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:48 AM,
> Carlo Falciola <cfalciola at yahoo.it>
> wrote:
> > Sean, Martin,
> > Recently I started playing with VirtualBox in order to
> get a "standard" SOAS usb bootable key to boot into an
> "empty" VM in VirtualBox.
> > This is different from a livecd in sense you get
> persisten updates and your stik could always be booted in
> other systems...
> >  VirtualBox supports, at least in Linux & Windows
> the feature to define virtual bootable disk that belongs to
> a USB stick.
> >
> > So now I've a generic VM that when started by VB look
> for an USB Bootable Stick attached to a running windows
> machine and start it
> > Till' now it works for me with Strawberry & the
> latest Soas2.iso.
> >
> > I actually followed  instructions I found on the web
> (there shoud be a message to sugar-devel list about it)
> >
> > The solution is definitely not ready for primetime,
> and should be  tested a lot, but right now is it possible
> to:
> > 1. Manually install VirtualBox
> > 2. Get the VirtualMachine (containing the "special
> Virtual Disk")
> > 3. Stich the Strawberry in the running host
> 
> Can you describe this step in some more detail?
> Right now as I understand it, on Linux and Windows Hosts
> you can hit
> F12 (if you are very fast) to open the boot menu or also
> quickly open
> the USB menu at the bottom of the screen and activate the
> selected USB
> device. You can't boot from USB on OS X for some reason so
> I have
> created a boothelper VM which looks for a USB stick named
> Fedora. On
> OS X I have been able to automate this to umount the USB
> from the host
> OS, and attach it to the running VM so the use potentially
> just has to
> plug in the stick and make one click on an application
> icon.
> 
> Dave
> 
> > 4. start the VM
> > 5. Enjoy your Sugar Stick (with persistent storage in
> the stick, networks, (dunno about audio, but it should work
> either)!
> >
> >  I think some of those steps could be simplyfied...
> >
> >  Latest note : I'm not shure that a "Portable"
> VirtualBox it's  doable because VB creates virtual net
> interface I'm not shure that ccould be done on the fly.
> >
> > Could this approach helps?
> >
> > ciao
> >
> > carlo (f)
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Douglas McClendon
> > <dmc.sugar at filteredperception.org> wrote:
> >> Sean DALY wrote:
> >>
> >>> You've mentioned how the website could be
> improved - the "fine print".
> >>> When you look at the Sugar on a Stick page,
> what do you think it could
> >>> express better to guide inexperienced users?
> The single biggest
> >>> barrier we face is installation fear - this is
> how Windows keeps its
> >>> marketshare (with help from proprietary file
> formats), and why
> >>> GNU/Linux desktops have so much difficulty
> breaking out. Sugar on a
> >>> Stick sidesteps the problem by not touching
> the hard disk, but does
> >>> indeed require system-specific BIOS fiddling.
> >>
> >> In response to this, and DancesWithCars autorun
> html point, I can see
> >> possible progress in this direction-
> >>
> >> a) autorun html.  Simple to add technically.
>  I'd opt for pure open
> >> source but possibly less compatable simple autorun
> technique, as opposed
> >> to using the various less-free and often closed
> source autorun helpers.
> >>
> >> b) the content of the html to be autoran-
> obviously the sky is the
> >> limit, and something marketing is particularly
> suited for.  To the
> >> extent that technical information should be
> contained, there is the
> >> LiveDistro wikipedia page, which would be
> included, as well as a layer
> >> above it translated/shrunk into a quickstart
> version targeted at average
> >> parents/teachers.
> >>
> >> c) other low hanging fruit windows FOSS.  Firefox
> seems worth it if
> >> you've got the space.  But more importantly qemu,
> or whatever the best
> >> open source windows virtualization solution is
> (qemu/virtualbox/?).
> >> I.e. the webpage should include simple
> instructions for launching that
> >> virtualizaiton targeted at the CD/USB that
> contains it.
> >>
> >
> >>Virtualbox could allow a pretty good in-Windows
> experience. With
> >>seamless mode it runs in an OS window. We can
> automate the startup so
> >>a Sugar appliance starts up with  one click. The
> trick is getting
> >>permission to bundle an  installer with virtualbox
> and the sugar
> >>appliance. I think one would have to ask Sun for
> permission to do
> >>this.
> >>
> >>You could do this also with OS X and Linux although
> each needs a
> >>seperate installer.
> >>
> >>Dave
> >>
> >>--
> >>Dave Bauer
> >>dave at solutiongrove.com
> >>http://www.solutiongrove.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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