[SoaS] [IAEP] A proposal from Trisquel (Was Re: [DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel)

[Thomas C Gilliard]

I have gotten around this problem by physically removing  the  hard 
drive from  my  usb burning  pc. then booting from CD and burning to sda.
this may not be very easy in some  Mac's  though..

Gary C Martin wrote:
> Hi Rubén,
>
> Feedback after testing trisquel-sugar_3.0RC_i686 on a recent MacBook  
> Pro:http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux#SoaS_v2_Installation
>
> 1). Live CD boots and runs fine on a MacBook Pro (though has no  
> wireless network, or camera support, and screen redraw was a little  
> slow in some activities so I guess no or little use of gfx hardware  
> acceleration).
>
> 2). Using the Live CD to install trisquel-sugar to a USB stick (my  
> main test goal). WARNING DATA LOSS: Targeting a USB stick for the  
> install process worked smoothly, but right at the very end I spotted  
> it saying "installing grub to hd0". This renders the primary internal  
> hard disk on a Mac un-bootable. After much experimentation***, the  
> only safe solution was a fresh re-patrition of the drive, and to  
> perform a full restore from a back-up (thank goodness for Apple's Time  
> Machine).
>
> *** PRAM resets, Disk Utility volume recovery, re-setting start-up  
> disk, blessing from command line, re-install of OS, couple of other  
> 3rd party recovery tools. If someone is unfortunate enough not to have  
> a recent back-up, I think the disk data may be still recoverable as I  
> did eventually manage to access the original data. If I had more time  
> to faff, I think I could have experimented using the diskutil command  
> line tool. The default install of an Intel Mac HD is a GUID partition  
> scheme, with a small EFI partition, and then the rest of the disk as a  
> bootable HFS+ partition (this looked fine but I didn't want to risk  
> using the data there). FWIW, the visible symptom upon reboot was a  
> grey screen for perhaps 30 sec, eventually a blinking grey folder icon  
> with a question mark – the Mac basically can't find a bootable HD (but  
> will happily boot off other media, say your original OS install DVD).
>
> 3). The resulting USB Stick failed to boot on a MacBook (but might  
> work on other hardware, need to test).
>
> Regards,
> --Gary
>
> On 1 Oct 2009, at 21:47, Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote:
>
>   
>>>> I have no illusions about the difficulty of jumpstarting an
>>>> ecosystem, but since that is necessary to the success of Sugar, we
>>>> need to make it happen.  I have ideas for plans for that too
>>>> [...other ideas for plans]
>>>>         
>>> That's all great but it boils down to what I said: we can't do it  
>>> now,
>>> where "we" is Sugar Labs and "it" is: create better distro than
>>> Fedora-ish and service that distro with distro-vendor-quality support
>>> and infrastructure.
>>>
>>> So I propose we come up with some way to do it (ibid.)  to propose to
>>> SLOB or we get real should say we're not going to do it (for now).
>>> Either is better than the status quo of not doing it and pretend that
>>> we are
>>>       
>> I'm still a newbie here, but let me propose an idea. Feel free to
>> discard it if it's inappropriate.
>>
>> In the project Trisquel we've just made our own -still unnamed as a
>> project- version of a "distro for Sugar", and it has all the features
>> you were talking about in the last days, including a disk installer,
>> live cd with persistence, live usb with persistence, live usb  
>> graphical
>> creator, Sugar style artwork, LTSP support, unattended installation...
>> Coming soon we will have unattended distributed installation using  
>> pxe.
>>
>> We are going to maintain this project no matter if it is used by SL or
>> not. And as an important feature, Trisquel is fully libre and endorsed
>> by the FSF. We are open -and looking forward- to collaboration with  
>> SL.
>>
>> We don't want to compete with other projects like SoaS -we will not  
>> use
>> that name either-, in fact I'd like to thank the SoaS authors, as I'm
>> sure their work made it easier for us to make our version.
>>
>> My only intention with this message is for you to know our  
>> alternative.
>> We are distro hackers -I don't like the "vendors" moniker-, so we have
>> the skills and resources required, allowing you to focus on the Sugar
>> development. Now that the initial tasks of our project are done, the
>> maintenance will be easy. In fact, we will start publishing nightly
>> builds with the latest Trisquel updates and the latest version of the
>> Sugar components. We hope it will be a tool for developers and  
>> testers.
>>
>> You can find more info here: http://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-sugar
>>
>> Rubén
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