<div dir="ltr">I am sorry to hear that too. But we can work together.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Sean DALY <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com" target="_blank">sdaly.be@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dave - I did already, see the threads<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Sean<br><br></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Dave Crossland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@lab6.com" target="_blank">dave@lab6.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Hi Sean</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sincerel I'm sorry to hear that.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Please do share with us the old marketing strategy, I am keen to see it :)</p>
<p dir="ltr">Cheers<span><font color="#888888"><br>
Dave</font></span></p><div><div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 23, 2016 7:21 AM, "Sean DALY" <<a href="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com" target="_blank">sdaly.be@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>OK Dave, you're the new Marketing Coordinator!<br><br></div>Perhaps it's best that I bow out and become just an interested observer. I just don't have the time to explain marketing fundamentals and also develop strategy and execution.<br><br></div>thanks & good luck<br><br></div>Sean<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Dave Crossland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@lab6.com" target="_blank">dave@lab6.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Sean<br>
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On 22 June 2016 at 15:37, Sean DALY <<a href="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com" target="_blank">sdaly.be@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> We agree on using Google AdWords, but no work has been done on communication<br>
> strategy, and although I am thrilled there is interest in marketing, I am<br>
> also very concerned that more emphasis seems to be on the media rather than<br>
> the message, and my requests that this be worked on before starting<br>
> campaigns aren't leading anywhere.<br>
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</span>Where you've requested this be worked on, Samson has got back to you<br>
with a proposal document, and there have been comments from members.<br>
<br>
If you want to lead the marketing effort, I think its incumbent upon<br>
you to either ask Samson to go over the feedback he got and use it to<br>
improve his proposal document and share a new version, if that is the<br>
next step you think he should take; or, to draft your own document<br>
that lays out the strategy that you think we ought to be working on<br>
together, and solicit comments on it.<br>
<br>
Do you see alternative actions to take to lead this somewhere? I'm<br>
eager to hear them :)<br>
<br>
If you agree those 2 paths forward would be good, please take one.<br>
<span><br>
> It's true that I am more interested in marketing to teachers than recruiting<br>
> FLOSS developers, but with social media it's more important than ever to<br>
> have an integrated plan.<br>
<br>
</span>If you want an integrated plan, please work with Samson and myself and<br>
all other members to create one :)<br>
<br>
I am also waiting for a reply to my email asking you to provide links<br>
to the plans written in the past.<br>
<span><br>
> Dave, if this doesn't make sense to you, you can coordinate marketing from<br>
> now on, I'm not sure I have the energy to repeat myself over and over. I can<br>
> only say I know what works and what doesn't, and randomness in marketing<br>
> doesn't.<br>
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</span>I don't think Samson and I are opposed to following your lead.<br>
<br>
If you think our approach is 'random,' then please do work on a<br>
structured approach with us.<br>
<br>
Rather, I think what Samson and I are opposed to is inaction; you said<br>
on the call the other day -<br>
<a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016/Call_1" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016/Call_1</a> - that you<br>
have been "mystified" for the last 2-3 years on how to market Sugar,<br>
that in the early days you developed a good strategy - which I am yet<br>
to read - but a crisis developed in how to get tasks that you think<br>
needed to be done to become completed within a volunteer community.<br>
You didn't do them yourself, and no one did them, and so the marketing<br>
aspects of Sugar have dried up.<br>
<br>
Well, here is me and Samson eager to volunteer and get things going.<br>
<br>
If you want to "assign" tasks to us, we might say that we don't take<br>
orders. Sure. But if you want to work with us to list all the possible<br>
tasks, and to prioritise them, and then to do these tasks yourself and<br>
ask us to join you in doing them, then I expect we will be happy to<br>
join you.<br>
<br>
Samson, do you agree?<br>
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