<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Sebastian Dziallas wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:AANLkTilcXIPQP2WGLPX25zOx0qTc5eQepZwcu6rKzZZ9@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:03 AM, John Tierney <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jtis4stx@hotmail.com"><jtis4stx@hotmail.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:garycmartin@googlemail.com">garycmartin@googlemail.com</a> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 18:10:16 +0100 To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> Subject: [Marketing] Possible style for upstream/downstream diagram Hi folks, Spotted this info-graphic style a while back and thought it could be an ideal style for a diagram clarifying upstream/downstream relationships. Would likely switch it to a vertical portrait orientation, and be more 'watery' in metaphor than 'foodie', but I think you'll get the gist: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/starsammy/4605760111/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/starsammy/4605760111/</a> Need someone to list out the arcs/nodes, I'd only be up-to speed on a few of the more obvious relationships. Regards, --Gary P.S. If I could remember who raised the topic, I would go haunt them for the details directly ;) </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">May be from this thread Tues April 27th: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2010-April/002799.html">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2010-April/002799.html</a> Here is an excerpt that speaks to the need for visual diagrams of SoaS and Sugar along with Upstream and Downstream partners/relationships-timelines/constraints.  Marketing can help here but the drawing of relationships an the intricacies involved in different release processes would best be accomplished if drawn up first by those closest to them. .......I believe we are all working towards the same goal. From the marketing, educational outreach, not so techy side of things, I believe we need some help actually understanding the process of getting the activities qualified, the time frame(timeline), the upstream-downstream relationships. I along with the Teachers, Educators, University Professors outside of Computer Science have a hard time understanding and visualizing the process. Possibly a Workflow/Mindmap/Timeline Project Map that explains the SoaS Process, the Sugar build, the Fedora build, the connections/constraints as they relate to Upstream-Downstream, who is Upstream-Downstream, the dates when activity testing should take place, and any other tasks/constraints that relate to putting together this successful build. If you could come up with a one page visual that would be enormously helpful to our messaging and help new members of the Sugar Community understand the mechanisms and processes related to FOSS projects. Having a Big Picture view helps understand where your individual work fits in and also helps with the expectation aspect. Clear, Simple, Visual. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> I'm currently travelling, so this email might turn out to be shorter than it'd have usually been. Just sayin' in advance... :) But I agree that making clear who's doing what at which time in the release process is something we still need to - and will - improve. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">After this stable build with group of activities is released, what is process and what will it take to get other activities working? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Further activity downloads from activities.sugarlabs.org are supposed to be working because Sugar on a Stick includes the Sugar Platform libraries. If they don't, this needs to be confirmed in a non-SoaS environment and if the issues persist, a ticket needs to be filed against the activity which could - if necessary - also marked as incompatible with a certain Sugar version in question. This is however just my understanding. If the activity works in another environment (like a full Fedora install), it's probably a SoaS bug that we'd need to investigate. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Some questions: Is there a plan to include with the release a Guide with Screenshots for Bug Tracking (How to file bug and where for SoaS 3), Activity testing reports, USB Creator. For the Elementary teacher, College of Education individual, and the students the screenshot variety of tutorial is essential. If not I understand  with lack of resources, but could this possibly be worked on following release.(I read in the threads that some documentation is being included) Doing a little extra here by going beyond written instructions on the wiki and putting together these screenshot tutorials will help the future users of Sugar tremendously. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> I agree this is an important part! The SoaS team (kudos to Mel here) worked on a major overhaul of the Sugar on a Stick wiki page (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick</a>) to which we're now referring as a contributor portal. There's a wiki page on how to file a ticket here (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/How_to_file_a_ticket">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/How_to_file_a_ticket</a>). </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Another question would be after they receive Mirabelle and go to ASLO to get more activities what exactly happens? Do they just try and download any Activity and see if they work? Will they be prevented from downloading non-working activities? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> </pre> </blockquote> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/Activities-Index-Mirabell.ods">http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/Activities-Index-Mirabell.ods</a> (it is included on DVD in ASLOxo-2 directory) Should show comparabilities. Mel and sebastian are working on a webkit? so it can be on wiki in form we all can contribute to. Tom Gilliard <blockquote cite="mid:AANLkTilcXIPQP2WGLPX25zOx0qTc5eQepZwcu6rKzZZ9@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I'm aware of the "experimental" tag in activities.sugarlabs.org. Also, activities usually say with which Sugar version they are compatible. This is obviously no entire protection against non-working activities, but it's a start. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Do we have a second list of partially working or completely broken activities? I want to fully understand the present situation that way when we present to them I will know the kind of resources to ask them to try to put in place when they return to their perspective Universities and reach out to colleagues........ </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> We're currently working on getting the feature and release process better documented, so this is something in the queue for v.4 that will discussed at the meetings! Your comments and thoughts are really appreciated and really helpful, because this *is* a topic we should tackle. Thank you for speaking up! :) --Sebastian </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">We ended up handing out 300-350 Sugar Demo CD's and Sugar on a Stick Creation Kit07 version DVD's(No Mirabelle-wasn't ready) at the Computers and Writing Conference at Purdue. I will be following up with these University Level Researchers and Writing Program Experts and would like to see that these above necessities for long term success are put into the pipeline. Please understand I read the meeting minutes from SoaS release wrap-up and have been following much on SoaS list but many of are intended end-users and helpers will never have the time to read what they would have to try and understand-thus a real effort to take time to make/condense are most important timelines, relationships, and communications into one page visual documents that a Elementary school Teacher/Student/Parent can look at and understand how they can fit in is important. In this case a picture is worth a thousand words. Just some thoughts to get the ball rolling. Best! John Tierney _______________________________________________ </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Marketing mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________ Marketing mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________ SoaS mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org">SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas</a> </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>