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On 3/11/10 7:05 PM, Frederick Grose wrote:
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 12:03 PM, josh
williams <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:josh@tucson-labs.com" target="_blank">josh@tucson-labs.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">From
what I could gather, Bernie was just making suggestions for what a site
wide navigation could look like. I actually like Bernie's idea of
making it more like google's universal nav. I think something like the
following would work well:
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<div>Home Wiki Download Activities More >
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<div>The more link would be a drop down of all our other sub
domains.</div>
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<div>At any rate I'm almost done with <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/" target="_blank">http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/</a>
- so any information on how to edit the main navigation would be very
helpful. We can push the changes without changing the main nav once I
get finished bug checking, but I think leaving it as it is makes the
wiki more confusing than it needs to be.
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<div>--</div>
<div>Josh</div>
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<div>(Dropping systems@ and adding marketing@, as this is more of a
design discussion.) </div>
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<div>Thank you Josh for your contributions to Sugar Labs!</div>
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No problem. Thank you for you input about the design and pointing me in
the right direction!<br>
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<div>I must admit that I would prefer to see a bit more of the Sugar
style elements maintained or added to the Sugar Labs wiki skin.</div>
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<div>The proposed skin at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/" target="_blank">http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/</a> has
lost many of the style elements found in our product, Sugar, as
expressed in <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface/Controls"
target="_blank">The Sugar Interface/Controls</a>. In particular, the
bold strokes of the Sugar icons on the tabs, the dark background of the
Sugar toolbar with gray-scale icons, and colors holding <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface#Imbuing_Color_with_Meaning"
target="_blank">special meaning</a>.</div>
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<div>I like that the proposed skin includes the single-line logo
(hoping also that it can be placed so that it also works with the very
common monobook skin and others).</div>
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<div>Among our sister sites, my favorites for header and navigation
linkbars are <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org/">http://translate.sugarlabs.org/</a> and <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://git.sugarlabs.org/">http://git.sugarlabs.org/</a> (primarily
because they both seem to use bold underline strokes on the event of
mouse pointer hover, and their dark backgrounds remind me of the Sugar
toolbar). I'd prefer that the bright colors of links carry 'special
meaning' by being revealed on hover, indicating the appropriate time
for user participation, that is a click of a mouse button. The current
header navigation links at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/</a> and
most of the current tab links have this behavior, but need the bolder
strokes and underscores of the translate and git headers. Having the
descender on the 'g' hang over the bottom of the header area at the
translate does add a bit of spice, even if it flirts with the <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo">Marketing
Team's Logo guidelines</a>.</div>
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<div>In the content areas, to keep a clean, uncluttered, and
easy-to-read page (especially because of descenders on the typeface), I
prefer to have the underscores appear on links only when they are
activated by mouse hover. In the proposed skin, compare, for example,
the greater ease of reading those links on the sidebar versus the links
in the table of contents box.</div>
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<div>Thank you for considering the thoughts and preferences I've
presented above. </div>
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<div> --Fred</div>
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Thanks for your feedback, I've already made some changes based on your
comments. I'm with you on having the underscores only appear on hover
for the main content, but there's a really big usability problem there
for color blind people or users with a grayscale monitor. If you go to
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sugarlabs.org">http://sugarlabs.org</a> on the XO and set the screen to gray scale it's
extremely difficult to find links because there's no visual cue other
than color.<br>
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Josh<br>
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