Hi,<div><br></div><div>I don't consider <a href="http://sugaronastick.com">sugaronastick.com</a> launched yet. We don't have the ability to take money and there is very little text on the site. The url <a href="http://sugaronastick.com">sugaronastick.com</a> has pointed to a site for probably 6 months. We have reskinned it and moved to WordPress. The people who's artwork is on the site did get advanced notice before I switched the url. (Sean, Mike Lee). In addition Sebastian and Walter both knew about it before it sugar-devel did because I talk to them about future plans regularly. Also at least Anne Gentle saw it, as we did a blog post that was syndicated on Planet and she commented.</div> <div><br></div><div>I have been focusing on getting the backup working because we really need that for GPA and this is the same code and I have not been focusing on the text for the site or "launching". I'm sorry. The text is bad, incomplete and does not reflect my full intent. I didn't think about. I just thought about wanting help testing the backup and the GPA spin and in my head had doing the text for a few weeks from now. I would like the communities input on how to link back to Sugar Labs and give Sugar Labs credit.</div> <div><br></div><div>First some words about intent.</div><div><br></div><div>I of course dream of millions of parents buying backup service for their children's sugar Sticks, but I don't actually think its going to be a money maker. Could be. Everyone keep your fingers crossed! I'm doing it for a few reasons.</div> <div><br></div><div>1. We need to do all the technical work anyway to support SoaS in schools.</div><div>2. I need to find a way to make a living and this is worth a try.</div><div>3. We need to make it easier and friendlier for parents to try Sugar. We can't scale backup and collaboration for free. So I think offering this as a service is important to Sugar on a Stick's growth. </div> <div>4. My theory is that parents will first want to try it with their kids then they will volunteer to bring it to their school. I want to make it easier for more people to start down that path.</div><div>5. Might work as a profitable business. Could happen. :)</div> <div>6. It may attract the attention of funders who are looking to fund "Social Entrepreneurship". These people need to see a business model as well as social good. </div><div><br></div><div>So I do very much intentionally want this to tie people back to Sugar Labs and the educational mission and to bringing Sugar into schools. I think the current text on the site does not reflect that. I'm sorry, its cause I haven't actually, in my mind, written anything, what I have up in brain storming. I certainly get how it doesn't look that way and I'm sorry.</div> <div><br></div><div>I do want the site to have a comfortable commercial feel. I want it to be different from the official sugarlabs site in feel. I want parents to feel they are getting something their kids can have fun with and learn. This site will be completely parent focused. I have also bought Sugar4Schools.com to offer services to schools.</div> <div><br></div><div>I do want to link back to Sugar Labs, which I haven't yet, and I'm sorry. I just got focused on making backup work and hadn't thought about the text yet.</div><div><br></div><div>I do want to give a portion of the profits to Sugar Labs should profits actually exist. I also want to reinvest profits in promoting Sugar in general.</div> <div><br></div><div>I do want all of my marketing to raise awareness of Sugar, to increase the odds that someone volunteers for Sugar Labs and to increase the odds that they will work to put Sugar into their school. This is the PRIMARY goal for me. SugaronaStick.com is a way to do that sustainably and to do it with a different, less stuffy and academic voice, that I hope will reach a different audience then the official SugarLabs site. I want Sugar in schools. </div> <div><br></div><div>Note I am not charging for Sugar, I am going to charge for web based XS services. My hope is that you could download the official Sugar and change the network setting and use our services. But I don't want to make parents do that, I want it to be easy. Also that won't happen until at least Blueberry because the code to connect to the server is new.</div> <div><br></div><div>So clearly the site needs to link back and give credit to Sugar Labs more and better. I'd like the community's advice on how to do that.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div>Caroline</div> <div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Tomeu Vizoso</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tomeu@sugarlabs.org">tomeu@sugarlabs.org</a>></span><br> Date: Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM<br>Subject: <a href="http://sugaronastick.com">sugaronastick.com</a> (was Re: [Sugar-devel] Beta Test of Sugar on a Stick Backup Service.)<br>To: Caroline Meeks <<a href="mailto:caroline@solutiongrove.com">caroline@solutiongrove.com</a>><br> Cc: Sugar Devel <<a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>><br><br><br>On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 20:04, Caroline Meeks<br> <<a href="mailto:caroline@solutiongrove.com">caroline@solutiongrove.com</a>> wrote:<br> > I'd like to announce to just the sugar development list at this point.<br> > We are ready for the first tests of backup and restore on a Sugar Stick. We<br> > will be using this code for both Sugaronastick.com and the GPA but each will<br> > point to a different XS server so we can have GPA XS be school people only.<br> <br> So you are going to distribute a derivative of a SoaS release from a<br> site named <a href="http://sugaronastick.com" target="_blank">sugaronastick.com</a> ? As someone involved in SoaS I'm<br> concerned that this will get really messy quickly. I have asked other<br> people involved in SoaS and they also didn't knew about it before it<br> was live and announced.<br> <br> To avoid misunderstandings, I think that what you are doing is great,<br> I hope your business goes awesomely and I will help as I can from<br> upstream.<br> <br> I just don't understand why you are using the name of your upstream to<br> market your derivative before discussing it with the community.<br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> Tomeu<br> <br> > To test click "Get Sugar" at <a href="http://www.sugaronastick.com" target="_blank">www.sugaronastick.com</a><br> > We have named this Spin "Strawberry Tree" as its done by Solution Grove<br> > based on the Strawberry Release. If your curious there is such a thing as a<br> > Strawberry Tree - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Tree" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Tree</a><br> > Beta Testers who are also on the Sugar Devel list will get free services<br> > from <a href="http://sugaronastick.com" target="_blank">sugaronastick.com</a> for the life of the service and 5 coupon codes for a<br> > year of free service to give to your friends once we start charging and have<br> > implemented coupon process.<br> > We are restricting the beta to Sugar Devel people for now because the<br> > instructions are probably still too rough and this is our first tests.<br> > Please email your feedback!<br> > Thank you!<br> ><br> ><br> > --<br> > Caroline Meeks<br> > Solution Grove<br> > Caroline@SolutionGrove.com<br> ><br> > 617-500-3488 - Office<br> > 505-213-3268 - Fax<br> ><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > Sugar-devel mailing list<br> > <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a><br> ><br> ><br> <font color="#888888"><br> <br> <br> --<br> ŤSugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar.<br> What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.ť - David<br> Farning<br> </font></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Caroline Meeks<br>Solution Grove<br>Caroline@SolutionGrove.com<br><br>617-500-3488 - Office<br>505-213-3268 - Fax<br> </div>