<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">I have updated the wiki with the latest data and a plan for next steps. <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO#Sticks_are_dieing_a_lot_-_Make_sticks_more_robust" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(7, 77, 143); ">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO#Sticks_are_dieing_a_lot_-_Make_sticks_more_robust</a><div> <br></div><div>Basically trying a full install and an OpenSuse stick and seeing if either of those fail as easily.</div><div><br></div><div>Would anyone like to help with the testing?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div> <div>Caroline</div><div><br></div><div>PS Please don't reply on this thread anymore use the other one that is just sugar-dev. I don't think this is a marketing issue right now.</div><div><br></div><div>PPS Thank you everyone who handwaved and WAGged! Individually no one really knew much but together we seem to have figured out one of the major problems, an experiment to test it, and a plan for how to move forward. Especially want to thank Luke who was always correct in everything he said and thought of the experiment.</div> </span><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tomeu@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">tomeu@sugarlabs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div><div></div><div>On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 03:23, Caroline Meeks<<a href="mailto:caroline@solutiongrove.com" target="_blank">caroline@solutiongrove.com</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> ><br> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Gary C Martin <<a href="mailto:gary@garycmartin.com" target="_blank">gary@garycmartin.com</a>> wrote:<br> >><br> >> On 29 Jul 2009, at 21:35, Walter Bender wrote:<br> >><br> >>> Begin handwaving.<br> >>><br> >>> LiveUSB came from the world of LiveCD and with it came an "overlay"<br> >>> concept to enable writing in what had been a read-only world. It is<br> >>> not clear that the approach was intended for more than demonstration<br> >>> purposes, in order to show off the power of Fedora Linux. That would<br> >>> suggest that in the long run, we may need to revisit the way in which<br> >>> we manage user data on our images.<br> >>><br> >>> End handwaving.<br> >><br> >> +1<br> >><br> >> My gut feeling is we don't want a LiveUSB, we want a bootable USB with a<br> >> regular install on it. Ideally being installed from a LiveCD, that can<br> >> either directly boot and demo Sugar, install to a USB stick, or install to a<br> >> hard-disk. Once booted we'd want the minimum of file writes to maximise a<br> >> stick lifetime, and reduce the chance of a write landing as a child unplugs.<br> >><br> >> Regards,<br> >> --Gary<br> >><br> ><br> > +1 except I think that we need it sooner not later.<br> > It is the most likely suspect on most of our stick failures. We will have<br> > upset teachers and kids if its not more reliable plus added expense and time<br> > costs.<br> > It is a blocker on:<br> ><br> > Reading things you've created on your Sugar Stick on a Windows or Mac<br> > machine.<br> > Createing a VM that can switch stick based users without rebooting out of<br> > the native OS- This will help usability quite a bit on the Mac Laptops the<br> > GPA will be using next year.<br> ><br> > I'm going to try to create a spec and publicize our need for help to my<br> > network. I'd love help with both parts of that.<br> <br> </div></div>The <a href="http://on-disk.com" target="_blank">http://on-disk.com</a> folks didn't offered their expertise on this?<br> <br> But anyway, we don't _need_ an expert. Rather an advanced linux user<br> that can ask the right questions, read shell scripts, inspect a<br> running system, etc. Already asked in the local linux user groups?</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Tomeu,</div><div><br></div><div>I'm trying to put together a wiki page taht explains where we are where we need to go coherently then I will reach out to LUGS etc.</div> <div><br></div><div>Can you help me feel confident that I have created such a page? </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> Tomeu<br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> Tomeu<br> <br> > --<br> <div>> Caroline Meeks<br> > Solution Grove<br> > Caroline@SolutionGrove.com<br> ><br> > 617-500-3488 - Office<br> > 505-213-3268 - Fax<br> ><br> </div><div><div></div><div>> _______________________________________________<br> > Marketing mailing list<br> > <a href="mailto:Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing</a><br> ><br> ><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Caroline Meeks<br>Solution Grove<br>Caroline@SolutionGrove.com<br><br>617-500-3488 - Office<br>505-213-3268 - Fax<br>