Thanks Marten.<br><br>Looking forward to hear from you.<br><br>cheers!<br clear="all">Rafael Ortiz <br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Marten Vijn <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:info@martenvijn.nl">info@martenvijn.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

<div class="im">On Fri, 2009-05-22 at 10:32 -0500, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi Marten<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; i think it would be a great opportunity for Sugar Labs co and other<br>
&gt; Local Labs to work with iicd,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; i think you know them better and you can begin the talks,<br>
&gt; if they need a proposal of some kind we can work it out.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; so if you call them and pass them to us it would be great,<br>
<br>
</div>I &#39;ll make the call next tuesday,<br>
I &#39;ll get back then.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<font color="#888888">Marten<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks!.<br>
&gt; Rafael Ortiz<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Marten Vijn &lt;<a href="mailto:info@martenvijn.nl">info@martenvijn.nl</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;         On Fri, 2009-05-22 at 01:08 -0500, Rafael Enrique Ortiz<br>
&gt;         Guerrero wrote:<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt; On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Sean DALY<br>
&gt;         &lt;<a href="http://sdaly.be" target="_blank">sdaly.be</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;         &gt;         Hi Marten<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         Our hope is that a local Sugar Lab can develop in<br>
&gt;         every<br>
&gt;         &gt;         country...<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         although one of us could send a CD this time, we<br>
&gt;         would<br>
&gt;         &gt;         certainly need.<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt; An experience with the Colombian Sugar Lab in this regard is<br>
&gt;         that in<br>
&gt;         &gt; all the presentations, conferences and meetings,<br>
&gt;         &gt; we try to give at least some sugar CDs..right now we are in<br>
&gt;         the<br>
&gt;         &gt; initial phase of &#39;&#39;showing&#39;&#39; Sugar to everyone and trying to<br>
&gt;         separate<br>
&gt;         &gt; it from the XO..it&#39;s unfortunate but there is a complete<br>
&gt;         lack of<br>
&gt;         &gt; knowledge (in Colombia) of both OLPC and Sugar but this lack<br>
&gt;         of<br>
&gt;         &gt; knowledge is worst on Sugar, we are trying to change that<br>
&gt;         fact.<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt; Also we hope that future sugar labs in the region (maybe<br>
&gt;         Chile,<br>
&gt;         &gt; Brazil, Peru and Uruguay) can begin to do this work.<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;         Hi Rafael,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;         Maybe we can setup the iicd to work with us.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;         <a href="http://www.iicd.org/" target="_blank">http://www.iicd.org/</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;         IICD is a non-profit foundation that specialises in<br>
&gt;         information and<br>
&gt;         communication technologies (ICT) as a tool for development.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;         They have funding, traveling manpower. They believe in train<br>
&gt;         the<br>
&gt;         trainer.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;         I &#39;ll be more to happy to work with them (training advise).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;         I want to help bootstrapping this, but then leave the chain.<br>
&gt;         I think request from the countries could connected directly to<br>
&gt;         them, if<br>
&gt;         they yes. Having request from Local Sugar Labs is much<br>
&gt;         stronger than me<br>
&gt;         presenting a good idea. (and as always both have to be done.)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;         How could we setup this up? Shall I give them a phonecall?<br>
&gt;         And do a hand over to you?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;         kind regards,<br>
&gt;         Marten<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         a lot of funding to handle the logistics of mailing<br>
&gt;         to<br>
&gt;         &gt;         everyone who<br>
&gt;         &gt;         wants one. I agree that the Ubuntu model (ShipIt,<br>
&gt;         &gt;         <a href="https://shipit.ubuntu.com/" target="_blank">https://shipit.ubuntu.com/</a> FAQ:<br>
&gt;         &gt;         <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/shipit-faq" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/shipit-faq</a>) is a<br>
&gt;         great way to<br>
&gt;         &gt;         bypass<br>
&gt;         &gt;         bandwidth limitations, but that model requires very<br>
&gt;         &gt;         significant<br>
&gt;         &gt;         funding (not to mention lots of volunteers to stuff<br>
&gt;         envelopes<br>
&gt;         &gt;         and<br>
&gt;         &gt;         manage order taking, tracking, shipments, customs<br>
&gt;         forms,<br>
&gt;         &gt;         reporting,<br>
&gt;         &gt;         etc). You may recall that Mark Shuttleworth<br>
&gt;         personally<br>
&gt;         &gt;         financed<br>
&gt;         &gt;         Canonical with millions of rand of his own money and<br>
&gt;         placed US<br>
&gt;         &gt;         $10m in<br>
&gt;         &gt;         the Ubuntu Foundation in 2005.<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         Most African countries, even the poorest ones, have<br>
&gt;         IT firms<br>
&gt;         &gt;         and<br>
&gt;         &gt;         computer-equipped companies, if we can find people<br>
&gt;         in those<br>
&gt;         &gt;         countries<br>
&gt;         &gt;         interested in assisting Sugar Labs we will have a<br>
&gt;         more<br>
&gt;         &gt;         scalable model.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         Canonical is getting a handle on ShipIt costs (which<br>
&gt;         are<br>
&gt;         &gt;         confidential)<br>
&gt;         &gt;         by sending boxes of CDs to Loco teams for local<br>
&gt;         distribution,<br>
&gt;         &gt;         e.g.<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         <a href="http://jonathancarter.co.za/2009/05/07/ubuntu-za-loco-discs-have-arrived/" target="_blank">http://jonathancarter.co.za/2009/05/07/ubuntu-za-loco-discs-have-arrived/</a><br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         We would need to look long and hard at a decision to<br>
&gt;         do a<br>
&gt;         &gt;         shipit-like<br>
&gt;         &gt;         organization, especially as an ongoing commitment.<br>
&gt;         The speed<br>
&gt;         &gt;         of Sugar<br>
&gt;         &gt;         development means most CDs woud probably be swiftly<br>
&gt;         obsolete.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         I do<br>
&gt;         &gt;         think however that a targeted mailing of branded CDs<br>
&gt;         to<br>
&gt;         &gt;         journalists<br>
&gt;         &gt;         and education ministries/departments would be an<br>
&gt;         excellent<br>
&gt;         &gt;         promotion<br>
&gt;         &gt;         tactic.<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         Sean<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Marten Vijn<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &lt;<a href="mailto:info@martenvijn.nl">info@martenvijn.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; &gt;From private conservation:<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; A man in africa wants to use Sugar,<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; due a slow uplink the download will cost<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; 8 hours.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; - gzipping the iso save 10 Mb only.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Maybe there is a funder interested to<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; burn cd and off them to delevoping contries.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Like ubuntu does.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; kind regards,<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Marten<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; --<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Marten Vijn<br>
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