[Marketing] [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
James Cameron
quozl at laptop.org
Fri Feb 27 19:27:37 EST 2015
I do not see it as separate, I see it as a useful contest of ideas.
That's what pull requests are for.
In this case, it has provided a substantial load and render benefit.
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:23:50AM +0000, Tymon Radzik wrote:
> I think Sam shouldnt work on separate project, rather help us in improving
> exisiting one. And disscuis so radicial UI changes with us...
> On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:22 James Cameron <[1]quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
>
> Yes, that version loads faster.
>
> 15.855 seconds for load and render.
>
> 2.824 seconds for render only.
>
> But on your version, the video embedding element "Google Code-In |
> Promotional video on Sugar" is beyond the visible area, only the
> sugarlabs title on black background is visible.
>
> Scrolling down by one page using the '×' (multiply) game key incurs a
> rendering delay;
>
> 1. if the key is pressed immediately, 9.744 seconds,
>
> 2. if the key is pressed after ten seconds, 2.864 seconds,
>
> Also, if the page is scrolled to position the video embedding element
> in the centre of screen, then use forward key to move to another site,
> then use back key to move back, rendering time is 14.008 seconds.
>
> Your version loads much faster on my desktop, despite the extra
> latency of HTTP over SSL (https).
>
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:02:50AM +0000, Sam P. wrote:
> > I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically every
> > JavaScript and css library that has ever been published. Does this
> version
> > load faster @Quozl? [1][2]https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/
> www-sugarlabs/
> >
> > On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron <[2][3]quozl at laptop.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache.
> >
> > [3][4]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343
> seconds,
> > (previously 31 seconds),
> >
> > [4][5]http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds,
> (previously
> > 5 seconds),
> >
> > [5][6]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 seconds,
> > (previously 14 seconds).
> >
> > [6][7]http://sugarlabs.org/ ... render only, 4.400 seconds,
> (previously 3.6
> > seconds),
> >
> > My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render
> > since last test on the XO-1.
> >
> > Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause?
> >
> > Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for
> > comparison?
> >
> > Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time
> > compared to the original site. This is a regression. Can't you
> > include those separate files into the main file?
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +0000, Tymon Radzik wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement
> them.
> > James
> > > Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade
> > significant
> > > changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now.
> We've done
> > some
> > > tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner
> now.
> > Please
> > > take a look on this website - [1][7][8]http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt
> /#!/
> > csIQSO/
> > > [8][9]sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > >
> > > Again, waiting for your suggestions!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tymon
> > >
> > > pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy <[2][9]
> > [10]samsongoddy at hotmail.com>
> > > napisał:
> > >
> > >
> >
> ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
> > > From: [3][10][11]samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > > To: [4][11][12]quozl at laptop.org
> > > Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking
> for
> > opinions
> > > /ideas!
> > > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100
> > >
> > > Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a
> web
> > > designer but the "Activity Section" is suppose to change. When
> i mean
> > > change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she
> will be
> > > scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's
> no a
> > good
> > > idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu
> pattern or
> > some
> > > like this from this Project mudra site [5][6][12]http://
> > [13]www.projectmudra.com/
> > > it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop
> down
> > pattern.
> > > The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be
> porting to
> > this
> > > new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern
> just like
> > the
> > > [7][13][14]http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am
> only
> > suggesting.
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > > Samson Goddy
> > >
> > > > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100
> > > > From: [8][14][15]quozl at laptop.org
> > > > To: [9][15][16]dwgipk at gmail.com
> > > > CC: [10][16][17]sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website -
> looking for
> > > opinions/ideas!
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was
> no
> > > > real difference.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +0000, Tymon Radzik wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > please try to visit [1][11][17][18]http://sugarlabs.org/
> ~tymon
> > instead of [2]
> > > http://
> > > > > [12][18][19]people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't
> be any 304
> > > redirects. Thank you
> > > > > for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow.
> > > > > Tymon
> > > > >
> > > > > czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron <[3][13]
> > > [19][20]quozl at laptop.org>
> > > > > napisał:
> > > > >
> > > > > It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console
> > > > > screenshots of query load times:
> > > > >
> > > > > [4][14][20][21]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> > tymon-load-times.png
> > > > > [5][15][21][22]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> > original-load-times.png
> > > > >
> > > > > I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache,
> and
> > reduce
> > > > > the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also
> identify
> > the
> > > > > network speeds of the target market, and how they will
> perceive
> > load
> > > > > times.
> > > > >
> > > > > The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read,
> > because
> > > > > there was not enough contrast between the text and the
> > background.
> > > > >
> > > > > The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and
> distracting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the
> About
> > > > > section.
> > > > >
> > > > > The style of the embedded activities element is
> inconsistent with
> > the
> > > > > surrounding page style.
> > > > >
> > > > > Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis
> on
> > history
> > > > > of Sugar, or the history of computing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Otherwise, good progress.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > James Cameron
> > > > > [6][16][22][23]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > > > > [7][17][23][24]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > > > [8][18][24][25]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
> sugar-devel
> > > > >
> > > > > References:
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] [19][25][26]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > > > > [2] [20][26][27]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > > > > [3] mailto:[21][27][28]quozl at laptop.org
> > > > > [4] [22][28][29]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> > tymon-load-times.png
> > > > > [5] [23][29][30]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> > original-load-times.png
> > > > > [6] [24][30][31]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > > > > [7] mailto:[25][31][32]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > > > [8] [26][32][33]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
> sugar-devel
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > James Cameron
> > > > [27][33][34]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > > > [28][34][35]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > > [29][35][36]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > > [30][36][37]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > [31][37][38]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >
> > > References:
> > >
> > > [1] [38][39]http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/
> ~tymon
> > > [2] mailto:[39][40]samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > > [3] mailto:[40][41]samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > > [4] mailto:[41][42]quozl at laptop.org
> > > [5] [42][43]http://www.projectmudra.com/.
> > > [6] [43][44]http://www.projectmudra.com/
> > > [7] [44][45]http://www.projectmudra.com/
> > > [8] mailto:[45][46]quozl at laptop.org
> > > [9] mailto:[46][47]dwgipk at gmail.com
> > > [10] mailto:[47][48]sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > [11] [48][49]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > > [12] [49][50]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > > [13] mailto:[50][51]quozl at laptop.org
> > > [14] [51][52]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> tymon-load-times.png
> > > [15] [52][53]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> original-load-times.png
> > > [16] [53][54]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > > [17] mailto:[54][55]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > [18] [55][56]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > [19] [56][57]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > > [20] [57][58]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > > [21] mailto:[58][59]quozl at laptop.org
> > > [22] [59][60]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> tymon-load-times.png
> > > [23] [60][61]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> original-load-times.png
> > > [24] [61][62]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > > [25] mailto:[62][63]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > [26] [63][64]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > [27] [64][65]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > > [28] mailto:[65][66]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > [29] [66][67]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > [30] mailto:[67][68]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > [31] [68][69]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> >
> > --
> > James Cameron
> > [69][70]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > [70][71]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [71][72]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> >
> > References:
> >
> > [1] [73]https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/
> > [2] mailto:[74]quozl at laptop.org
> > [3] [75]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/
> > [4] [76]http://sugarlabs.org/
> > [5] [77]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/
> > [6] [78]http://sugarlabs.org/
> > [7] [79]http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/
> > [8] [80]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [9] mailto:[81]samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > [10] mailto:[82]samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > [11] mailto:[83]quozl at laptop.org
> > [12] [84]http://www.projectmudra.com/
> > [13] [85]http://www.projectmudra.com/
> > [14] mailto:[86]quozl at laptop.org
> > [15] mailto:[87]dwgipk at gmail.com
> > [16] mailto:[88]sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [17] [89]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [18] [90]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [19] mailto:[91]quozl at laptop.org
> > [20] [92]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
> > [21] [93]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
> > [22] [94]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [23] mailto:[95]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [24] [96]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [25] [97]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [26] [98]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [27] mailto:[99]quozl at laptop.org
> > [28] [100]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
> > [29] [101]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
> > [30] [102]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [31] mailto:[103]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [32] [104]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [33] [105]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [34] mailto:[106]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [35] [107]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [36] mailto:[108]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [37] [109]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [38] [110]http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [39] mailto:[111]samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > [40] mailto:[112]samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > [41] mailto:[113]quozl at laptop.org
> > [42] [114]http://www.projectmudra.com/
> > [43] [115]http://www.projectmudra.com/
> > [44] [116]http://www.projectmudra.com/
> > [45] mailto:[117]quozl at laptop.org
> > [46] mailto:[118]dwgipk at gmail.com
> > [47] mailto:[119]sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [48] [120]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [49] [121]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [50] mailto:[122]quozl at laptop.org
> > [51] [123]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
> > [52] [124]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
> > [53] [125]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [54] mailto:[126]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [55] [127]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [56] [128]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [57] [129]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [58] mailto:[130]quozl at laptop.org
> > [59] [131]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
> > [60] [132]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
> > [61] [133]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [62] mailto:[134]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [63] [135]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [64] [136]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [65] mailto:[137]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [66] [138]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [67] mailto:[139]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [68] [140]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [69] [141]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [70] mailto:[142]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [71] [143]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
> --
> James Cameron
> [144]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>
> References:
>
> [1] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [2] https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/
> [3] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [4] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/
> [5] http://sugarlabs.org/
> [6] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/
> [7] http://sugarlabs.org/
> [8] http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/
> [9] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [10] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> [11] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> [12] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [13] http://www.projectmudra.com/
> [14] http://www.projectmudra.com/
> [15] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [16] mailto:dwgipk at gmail.com
> [17] mailto:sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [18] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [19] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [20] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [21] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> [22] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> [23] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> [24] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [25] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [26] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [27] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [28] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [29] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> [30] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> [31] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> [32] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [33] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [34] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> [35] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [36] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [37] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [38] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [39] http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [40] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> [41] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> [42] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [43] http://www.projectmudra.com/
> [44] http://www.projectmudra.com/
> [45] http://www.projectmudra.com/
> [46] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [47] mailto:dwgipk at gmail.com
> [48] mailto:sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [49] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [50] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [51] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [52] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
> [53] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
> [54] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> [55] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [56] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [57] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [58] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [59] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [60] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
> [61] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
> [62] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> [63] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [64] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [65] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> [66] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [67] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [68] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [69] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [70] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> [71] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [72] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [73] https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/
> [74] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [75] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/
> [76] http://sugarlabs.org/
> [77] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/
> [78] http://sugarlabs.org/
> [79] http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/
> [80] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [81] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> [82] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> [83] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [84] http://www.projectmudra.com/
> [85] http://www.projectmudra.com/
> [86] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [87] mailto:dwgipk at gmail.com
> [88] mailto:sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [89] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [90] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [91] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [92] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
> [93] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
> [94] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> [95] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [96] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [97] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [98] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [99] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [100] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
> [101] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
> [102] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> [103] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [104] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [105] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> [106] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [107] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [108] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [109] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [110] http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [111] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> [112] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> [113] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [114] http://www.projectmudra.com/
> [115] http://www.projectmudra.com/
> [116] http://www.projectmudra.com/
> [117] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [118] mailto:dwgipk at gmail.com
> [119] mailto:sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [120] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [121] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [122] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [123] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
> [124] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
> [125] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> [126] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [127] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [128] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [129] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> [130] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [131] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
> [132] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
> [133] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> [134] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [135] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [136] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> [137] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [138] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [139] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [140] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [141] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> [142] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [143] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [144] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
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