[Marketing] [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
Tymon Radzik
dwgipk at gmail.com
Fri Feb 27 19:23:50 EST 2015
I think Sam shouldnt work on separate project, rather help us in improving
exisiting one. And disscuis so radicial UI changes with us...
On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:22 James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
> Yes, that version loads faster.
>
> 15.855 seconds for load and render.
>
> 2.824 seconds for render only.
>
> But on your version, the video embedding element "Google Code-In |
> Promotional video on Sugar" is beyond the visible area, only the
> sugarlabs title on black background is visible.
>
> Scrolling down by one page using the '×' (multiply) game key incurs a
> rendering delay;
>
> 1. if the key is pressed immediately, 9.744 seconds,
>
> 2. if the key is pressed after ten seconds, 2.864 seconds,
>
> Also, if the page is scrolled to position the video embedding element
> in the centre of screen, then use forward key to move to another site,
> then use back key to move back, rendering time is 14.008 seconds.
>
> Your version loads much faster on my desktop, despite the extra
> latency of HTTP over SSL (https).
>
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:02:50AM +0000, Sam P. wrote:
> > I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically every
> > JavaScript and css library that has ever been published. Does this
> version
> > load faster @Quozl? [1]https://activities-2.
> sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/
> >
> > On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron <[2]quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
> >
> > Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache.
> >
> > [3]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343 seconds,
> > (previously 31 seconds),
> >
> > [4]http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds,
> (previously
> > 5 seconds),
> >
> > [5]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 seconds,
> > (previously 14 seconds).
> >
> > [6]http://sugarlabs.org/ ... render only, 4.400 seconds,
> (previously 3.6
> > seconds),
> >
> > My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render
> > since last test on the XO-1.
> >
> > Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause?
> >
> > Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for
> > comparison?
> >
> > Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time
> > compared to the original site. This is a regression. Can't you
> > include those separate files into the main file?
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +0000, Tymon Radzik wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement
> them.
> > James
> > > Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade
> > significant
> > > changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now.
> We've done
> > some
> > > tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner
> now.
> > Please
> > > take a look on this website - [1][7]http://tools.pingdom.
> com/fpt/#!/
> > csIQSO/
> > > [8]sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > >
> > > Again, waiting for your suggestions!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tymon
> > >
> > > pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy <[2][9]
> > samsongoddy at hotmail.com>
> > > napisał:
> > >
> > >
> > ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
> ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
> > > From: [3][10]samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > > To: [4][11]quozl at laptop.org
> > > Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking
> for
> > opinions
> > > /ideas!
> > > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100
> > >
> > > Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not
> a web
> > > designer but the "Activity Section" is suppose to change. When
> i mean
> > > change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she
> will be
> > > scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's
> no a
> > good
> > > idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu
> pattern or
> > some
> > > like this from this Project mudra site [5][6][12]http://
> > www.projectmudra.com/
> > > it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop
> down
> > pattern.
> > > The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be
> porting to
> > this
> > > new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern
> just like
> > the
> > > [7][13]http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am only
> > suggesting.
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > > Samson Goddy
> > >
> > > > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100
> > > > From: [8][14]quozl at laptop.org
> > > > To: [9][15]dwgipk at gmail.com
> > > > CC: [10][16]sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website -
> looking for
> > > opinions/ideas!
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was
> no
> > > > real difference.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +0000, Tymon Radzik wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > please try to visit [1][11][17]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > instead of [2]
> > > http://
> > > > > [12][18]people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be
> any 304
> > > redirects. Thank you
> > > > > for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow.
> > > > > Tymon
> > > > >
> > > > > czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron <[3][13]
> > > [19]quozl at laptop.org>
> > > > > napisał:
> > > > >
> > > > > It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console
> > > > > screenshots of query load times:
> > > > >
> > > > > [4][14][20]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> > tymon-load-times.png
> > > > > [5][15][21]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> > original-load-times.png
> > > > >
> > > > > I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache,
> and
> > reduce
> > > > > the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also
> identify
> > the
> > > > > network speeds of the target market, and how they will
> perceive
> > load
> > > > > times.
> > > > >
> > > > > The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read,
> > because
> > > > > there was not enough contrast between the text and the
> > background.
> > > > >
> > > > > The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and
> distracting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the
> About
> > > > > section.
> > > > >
> > > > > The style of the embedded activities element is
> inconsistent with
> > the
> > > > > surrounding page style.
> > > > >
> > > > > Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis
> on
> > history
> > > > > of Sugar, or the history of computing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Otherwise, good progress.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > James Cameron
> > > > > [6][16][22]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > > > > [7][17][23]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > > > [8][18][24]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > > >
> > > > > References:
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] [19][25]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > > > > [2] [20][26]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > > > > [3] mailto:[21][27]quozl at laptop.org
> > > > > [4] [22][28]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> > tymon-load-times.png
> > > > > [5] [23][29]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/
> > original-load-times.png
> > > > > [6] [24][30]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > > > > [7] mailto:[25][31]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > > > [8] [26][32]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-
> devel
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > James Cameron
> > > > [27][33]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > > > [28][34]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > > [29][35]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > [31][37]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >
> > > References:
> > >
> > > [1] [38]http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/~
> tymon
> > > [2] mailto:[39]samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > > [3] mailto:[40]samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > > [4] mailto:[41]quozl at laptop.org
> > > [5] [42]http://www.projectmudra.com/.
> > > [6] [43]http://www.projectmudra.com/
> > > [7] [44]http://www.projectmudra.com/
> > > [8] mailto:[45]quozl at laptop.org
> > > [9] mailto:[46]dwgipk at gmail.com
> > > [10] mailto:[47]sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > [11] [48]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > > [12] [49]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > > [13] mailto:[50]quozl at laptop.org
> > > [14] [51]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-
> times.png
> > > [15] [52]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-
> load-times.png
> > > [16] [53]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > > [17] mailto:[54]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > [18] [55]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > [19] [56]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > > [20] [57]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > > [21] mailto:[58]quozl at laptop.org
> > > [22] [59]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-
> times.png
> > > [23] [60]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-
> load-times.png
> > > [24] [61]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > > [25] mailto:[62]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > [26] [63]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > [27] [64]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > > [28] mailto:[65]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > [29] [66]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > [30] mailto:[67]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > [31] [68]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> >
> > --
> > James Cameron
> > [69]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > [70]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [71]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> >
> > References:
> >
> > [1] https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/
> > [2] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > [3] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/
> > [4] http://sugarlabs.org/
> > [5] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/
> > [6] http://sugarlabs.org/
> > [7] http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/
> > [8] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [9] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > [10] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > [11] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > [12] http://www.projectmudra.com/
> > [13] http://www.projectmudra.com/
> > [14] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > [15] mailto:dwgipk at gmail.com
> > [16] mailto:sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [17] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [18] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [19] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > [20] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
> > [21] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
> > [22] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [23] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [24] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [25] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [26] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [27] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > [28] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
> > [29] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
> > [30] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [31] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [32] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [33] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [34] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [35] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [36] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [37] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [38] http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [39] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > [40] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > [41] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > [42] http://www.projectmudra.com/
> > [43] http://www.projectmudra.com/
> > [44] http://www.projectmudra.com/
> > [45] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > [46] mailto:dwgipk at gmail.com
> > [47] mailto:sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [48] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [49] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [50] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > [51] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
> > [52] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
> > [53] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [54] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [55] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [56] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [57] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
> > [58] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > [59] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
> > [60] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
> > [61] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [62] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [63] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [64] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [65] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [66] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [67] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [68] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [69] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [70] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [71] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
> --
> James Cameron
> http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>
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