[Marketing] [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

Sam P. sam.parkinson3 at gmail.com
Fri Feb 27 19:06:44 EST 2015


Beside a gallery, what features is my version missing?  "My version" is
100% based off "yours", see the pull request I sent.

On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:05 am Tymon Radzik <dwgipk at gmail.com> wrote:

> I can use more if you want Sam ;). Seriously - all libraries I use are
> needed for website. Your website doesn't require features like my one. We
> should rather take care about optimization in loading them, not on just
> telling "oh this is so slow..."
>
> Good night :-)
> On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:02 Sam P. <sam.parkinson3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically every
>> JavaScript and css library that has ever been published.  Does this version
>> load faster @Quozl?  https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache.
>>>
>>> http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343 seconds,
>>> (previously 31 seconds),
>>>
>>> http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds, (previously
>>> 5 seconds),
>>>
>>> http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 seconds,
>>> (previously 14 seconds).
>>>
>>> http://sugarlabs.org/ ... render only, 4.400 seconds, (previously 3.6
>>> seconds),
>>>
>>> My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render
>>> since last test on the XO-1.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause?
>>>
>>> Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for
>>> comparison?
>>>
>>> Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time
>>> compared to the original site.  This is a regression.  Can't you
>>> include those separate files into the main file?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +0000, Tymon Radzik wrote:
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement them.
>>> James
>>> > Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade
>>> significant
>>> > changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've
>>> done some
>>> > tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner
>>> now. Please
>>> > take a look on this website - [1]http://tools.pingdom.com/
>>> fpt/#!/csIQSO/
>>> > sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>> >
>>> > Again, waiting for your suggestions!
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Tymon
>>> >
>>> > pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy <[2]
>>> samsongoddy at hotmail.com>
>>> > napisał:
>>> >
>>> >     ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
>>> ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
>>> >     From: [3]samsongoddy at hotmail.com
>>> >     To: [4]quozl at laptop.org
>>> >     Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for
>>> opinions
>>> >     /ideas!
>>> >     Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100
>>> >
>>> >     Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web
>>> >     designer but the "Activity Section" is suppose to change. When i
>>> mean
>>> >     change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she will
>>> be
>>> >     scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no
>>> a good
>>> >     idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern
>>> or some
>>> >     like this from this Project mudra site [5][6]
>>> http://www.projectmudra.com/
>>> >     it will be faster. Also the head or menu should  have a drop down
>>> pattern.
>>> >     The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting
>>> to this
>>> >     new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just
>>> like the
>>> >     [7]http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am only
>>> suggesting.
>>> >
>>> >     Best Regards
>>> >     Samson Goddy
>>> >
>>> >     > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100
>>> >     > From: [8]quozl at laptop.org
>>> >     > To: [9]dwgipk at gmail.com
>>> >     > CC: [10]sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> >     > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking
>>> for
>>> >     opinions/ideas!
>>> >
>>> >     >
>>> >     > I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no
>>> >     > real difference.
>>> >     >
>>> >     > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +0000, Tymon Radzik wrote:
>>> >     > > Hello,
>>> >     > > please try to visit [1][11]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>> instead of [2]
>>> >     http://
>>> >     > > [12]people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304
>>> >     redirects. Thank you
>>> >     > > for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow.
>>> >     > > Tymon
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > > czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron <[3][13]
>>> >     quozl at laptop.org>
>>> >     > > napisał:
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > > It took a long time to load.  See Firefox developer console
>>> >     > > screenshots of query load times:
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > > [4][14]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-
>>> times.png
>>> >     > > [5][15]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-
>>> load-times.png
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > > I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and
>>> reduce
>>> >     > > the number of servers that have to be resolved.  Also identify
>>> the
>>> >     > > network speeds of the target market, and how they will
>>> perceive load
>>> >     > > times.
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > > The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read,
>>> because
>>> >     > > there was not enough contrast between the text and the
>>> background.
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > > The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and distracting.
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > > Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the About
>>> >     > > section.
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > > The style of the embedded activities element is inconsistent
>>> with the
>>> >     > > surrounding page style.
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > > Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis on
>>> history
>>> >     > > of Sugar, or the history of computing.
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > > Otherwise, good progress.
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > > --
>>> >     > > James Cameron
>>> >     > > [6][16]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>> >     > > _______________________________________________
>>> >     > > Sugar-devel mailing list
>>> >     > > [7][17]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> >     > > [8][18]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > > References:
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > > [1] [19]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>> >     > > [2] [20]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>> >     > > [3] mailto:[21]quozl at laptop.org
>>> >     > > [4] [22]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-
>>> times.png
>>> >     > > [5] [23]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-
>>> load-times.png
>>> >     > > [6] [24]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>> >     > > [7] mailto:[25]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> >     > > [8] [26]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>> >     >
>>> >     > --
>>> >     > James Cameron
>>> >     > [27]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>> >     > _______________________________________________
>>> >     > Sugar-devel mailing list
>>> >     > [28]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> >     > [29]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>> >     _______________________________________________
>>> >     Sugar-devel mailing list
>>> >     [30]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> >     [31]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>> >
>>> > References:
>>> >
>>> > [1] http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>> > [2] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
>>> > [3] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
>>> > [4] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>>> > [5] http://www.projectmudra.com/.
>>> > [6] http://www.projectmudra.com/
>>> > [7] http://www.projectmudra.com/
>>> > [8] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>>> > [9] mailto:dwgipk at gmail.com
>>> > [10] mailto:sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> > [11] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>> > [12] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>> > [13] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>>> > [14] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
>>> > [15] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
>>> > [16] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>> > [17] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> > [18] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>> > [19] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>> > [20] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>> > [21] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>>> > [22] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
>>> > [23] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
>>> > [24] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>> > [25] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> > [26] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>> > [27] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>> > [28] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> > [29] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>> > [30] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> > [31] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>
>>> --
>>> James Cameron
>>> http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>>
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