[Marketing] [SoaS] links from homepage to Downloads page

[Gerald Ardito]

Walter, 

I don't think it is apples and oranges. Certainly Facebok or Google Plus would be much more valuable and friendly to the teachers than the wikis are.

I am wondering how to organize a group of integration volunteers to serve as those middle people.

Gerald 


On Sunday, February 3, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Walter Bender wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Gerald Ardito <gmanb5 at gmail.com (mailto:gmanb5 at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > Sean,
> > 
> > I appreciate your comments about teachers.
> > As a teacher who has used Sugar and the XOs extensively, and has trained
> > other teachers to do so as well, I can say that things can sometimes be very
> > difficult.
> > 
> > I sometimes feels like there is a middle layer missing in the process, a
> > layer that would let teachers be able to get some support with their
> > intentions, but that doesn't necessary involve development.
> > 
> 
> 
> It is somewhat apples and oranges, but when I was in Amazonas and
> asked where the teachers hung out, they all say, with out hesitation,
> Facebook. I didn't ask them to join the #sugar IRC channel to help
> them over the inevitable bumps in the road, or to navigate the wiki,
> but rather, we set up a Facebook page where they could get help with
> those "middle" things. I'm 100% certain that US teachers use Facebook,
> so we should too, if we want to engage them.
> 
> -walter
> > 
> > Gerald
> > 
> > On Sunday, February 3, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Sean DALY wrote:
> > 
> > It's clear that anything other than pre-installed raises a barrier
> > most teachers don't want to deal with. However, getting Sugar
> > referenced with an OEM is far easier said than done. And Apple is not
> > particularly motivated to encourage others to boot non-Apple OSes on
> > their hardware.
> > 
> > In the meantime, we have to make the difficult as simple as possible.
> > This includes installers and documentation including videos.
> > 
> > I don't want to underestimate teachers' motivation to find software
> > for their students, either. I have found that Sugar's unbeatable price
> > and nonprofit orientation are consistently appreciated by teachers.
> > 
> > Sean
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM, DancesWithCars <danceswithcars at gmail.com (mailto:danceswithcars at gmail.com)>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > do you all think installing a VM is easier than
> > making a LiveCD, or SOAS and rebooting?
> > 
> > Most Macs these days are Intel,
> > it's the hardware compatibility to get something
> > to boot from BIOS, and other issues, AFAICT...
> > 
> > Of the kids and adults I've talked to, over the years
> > (realizing most people here have more experience)
> > they don't bother unless an XO-1.x or better is put
> > before them... They fall in love with the hardware,
> > the cuteness factor, and if it's on a regular machine
> > (even the RPi I've tried a few on), it's a no go,
> > generally...
> > 
> > Not that it's not worth having, jhbuild, sweets, VMs, etc
> > are all good, but most non technical people won't
> > try it, AFAICT...
> > 
> > ---
> > odd nonstandard keyboard so who knows what I intended to type...
> > 
> > On Feb 3, 2013 7:21 AM, "Thomas Gilliard" <satellit at bendbroadband.com (mailto:satellit at bendbroadband.com)>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Sean;
> > 
> > I just did a cleanup of the wiki pages covering Virtual Box and Importable
> > appliances
> > deleted a lot of obsolete information and their links [5]
> > 
> > I updated:
> > Downloads [1] [2]; Fedora_18 [3]; and Sugar_on_a_Stick [4] wiki pages
> > 
> > Tom Gilliard
> > satellit on #sugar freenode IRC
> > 
> > [1]
> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads#Virtual_Machines_on_all_platforms
> > Links to Virtual Box Appliances :
> > [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/VirtualBox
> > Links to Soas-v8:
> > [3]
> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_18#Sugar_on_a_Stick_v8_.CA.BB.C5.8Chelo_.CA.BBai
> > [4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick
> > This page is still not updated, you have to scroll down to find SoaS-v8
> > [5] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:RecentChanges
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 02/02/2013 04:14 PM, Sean DALY wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > For the past couple of years, our homepage has linked the Sugar on a
> > Stick (SoaS) badge to the SoaS page [1] and the "download" menu item
> > and "Try it with a child today" link to the Downloads page [2].
> > 
> > The downloads page rightly in my view orients visitors by platform,
> > but the two largest market share desktop/laptop OSes (Windows & MacOS,
> > 96% or so of market) only give instructions for Sugar on a Stick and
> > the "Do you use a virtual machine?" link misses the excellent VMs
> > available (in particular the VMs of... SoaS!).
> > 
> > I think teachers will self-classify by OS and virtually none of them
> > will self-classify as virtual machine users.
> > 
> > Teachers will also expect pancake button 1-click installers (this was
> > confirmed by Sloan Marketlab study), problematic with SoaS due to
> > necessary USB stick manipulation and still a bit hairy on a Mac.
> > 
> > I think Windows section and Mac section should both propose choice of
> > SoaS and using VirtualBox with a SoaS VM, explaining benefits of each
> > method in layman's terms.
> > 
> > VMs are far less disruptive for trying Sugar, as a teacher can
> > download to hard disk, install and run, keeping usual apps going
> > (mail, browser, word processing) while experiencing Sugar.
> > 
> > The downside is of course massive files to download, but that could be
> > mitigated with torrents and/or mirrors.
> > 
> > Comment please before we get into wiki editing of this crucial page
> > thanks
> > 
> > Sean
> > 
> > 
> > [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick
> > [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DocumentationTeam/Try_Sugar
> > 
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